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Author Topic: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"  (Read 30618 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #220 on: August 23, 2018, 11:30:36 AM »
Notice that our postings about the same exact subject, spring out of nowhere, and are 24 seconds apart. Your posting was first, and is simple and to the point, while mine contains all the supporting details which completes your posting. We were writing those quotes with no cooperation, and they are 24 seconds apart in posting. Pretty amazing. Why did we write that at that exact moment? It could only be from God.

Of course, everything is ordered by God's providence.  I think that both of us realized at the exact same time how Johnson conflates the implicit faith of infidels with the implicit desire for Baptism in order to pretend that the Magisterium and Doctors teach this notion.  They do not.  So we both realized we have to flush him out from taking cover behind the Magisterium for his heresies.

Take ANY of the quotes that BoDers are wont to spam out there in favor of BoD, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them deals with the case of a CATECHUMEN, someone with explicit faith in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation as taught by the authority of the Church.  Even the 1917 Code of Canon Law refers only to the case of a catechumen (not even a catechumen-like person).  Salvation of infidels is nothing more than a Jesuitical novelty invented around the year 1600 and never taught by the Church or any Doctor of the Church ... but, sadly, not condemned by the Church either (unless you count the teaching of Vatican I which effectively rules this out).  But I believe that God allowed the error to remain uncondemned because it is this error which is providing THE test of faith in this time of crisis.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #221 on: August 23, 2018, 11:33:34 AM »
How much longer until SJ starts a new thread on the same topic, and then eventually quits that thread just like he quit this one?

LoT used to do the same thing.  He would excoriate "Feeneyites" for rejecting St. Thomas.  Then when you turned the tables on him by pointing out that he rejected St. Thomas by believing in the 2-article-explicit-faith theory, he'd disappear from the thread.  So he would spam BoD quotes out there, trying to make it SEEMS like they supported his own implicit faith theory, which none of them did.  But when you flushed him out from hiding behind these, then he disappeared and started a new thread where he resumed his spamming.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #222 on: August 23, 2018, 11:34:21 AM »
As I said, the VERY SECOND that someone starts applying "Baptism" of Desire to people who are already baptized (e.g. the Orthodox), you know exactly who and what you're dealing with.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #223 on: August 23, 2018, 11:34:41 AM »
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But I believe that God allowed the error to remain uncondemned because it is this error which is providing THE test of faith in this time of crisis.
Great point.

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #224 on: August 23, 2018, 11:50:33 AM »
Take ANY of the quotes that BoDers are wont to spam out there in favor of BoD, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them deals with the case of a CATECHUMEN, someone with explicit faith in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation as taught by the authority of the Church.  Even the 1917 Code of Canon Law refers only to the case of a catechumen (not even a catechumen-like person).  Salvation of infidels is nothing more than a Jesuitical novelty invented around the year 1600 and never taught by the Church or any Doctor of the Church ... but, sadly, not condemned by the Church either (unless you count the teaching of Vatican I which effectively rules this out).  But I believe that God allowed the error to remain uncondemned because it is this error which is providing THE test of faith in this time of crisis.

In the very same chapter in which Our Lord institutes the Sacrament of Baptism, (Jh 3:5), He says that he who does not believe is judged already. It follows that everyone who does not believe in Christ, with the Faith that the Apostle spoke, this is, "Faith which worketh by charity" is condemned already. Every Jew, Pagan, Moslem, etc. is judged already if he dies in his incredulity. He shall not come to judgement either particular or general, to be discussed according to his works of mercy done or omitted.