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Offline Cantarella

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2018, 12:32:47 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 20, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
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Given that the quote is actually from Benedict XIV, the answer would probably be found in his (rather than Pope St. Pius X's) corpus.  The footnote in the encyclical indicates a docuмent shorthanded as Instit. but I'm not sure what docuмent that is, and it could even be a private work of Pope Benedict's since he is largely regarded as one of the best theologian-popes and published many works aside from his pontificate.
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It is Benedict XIV' Constitution, "Etsi Minime".
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Offline Cantarella

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2018, 12:37:42 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 20, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
I know that in the context of Acerbo Nimis pope St. Pius X is considering primarily the poor state of education among Christians, and the paragraph where he cites Benedict XIV is one where he's just discussed how Christian faithful who had plenty of opportunities to learn, who were not weighed down by the obligations of their state, avoided all things religious and have tenuously left their religious instruction up to the priest who will be delivering them last rites.  So at least in that respect it is plain that the Pope isn't attempting to teach what articles of faith constitute the necessary elements for having supernatural faith, or even if any do.  It would be good, for these discussions, to see material which engages that point very directly rather than obliquely along the way to make a different point.

Mmmm, so Christians are bound to the knowledge of specific truths of salvation but non-Christians can get away with not knowing?

It would seem than the knowledge of Christ and His Church (with the strict obligations that come with it) is rather a curse, then.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2018, 12:53:32 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 20, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
The footnote in the encyclical indicates a docuмent shorthanded as Instit. but I'm not sure what docuмent that is, and it could even be a private work of Pope Benedict's since he is largely regarded as one of the best theologian-popes and published many works aside from his pontificate.

Instit. 27:18 is a reference to Institutiones Ecclesiasticæ, which can be found there: books.google.com.

Benedict XIV quotes Cornelius a Lapide:

Quote from: Cornelius a Lapide, In Comment. Epist. S. Jacobi cap. 2.
Multi enim laborant ignorantia crassa articulorum Fidei, quod explicite scire, et credere tenentur, aeque ac Sacramentorum.


I couldn't find Cornelius a Lapide online. Possibly the mysteries of the Faith which MUST necessarily be known and believed are the ones from the Credo of St. Athanasius, or as specified by St. Thomas Aquinas.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2018, 01:04:32 PM »
Quote from: Cantarella on August 20, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
It is Benedict XIV' Constitution, "Etsi Minime".
Is it?  As I was looking into it I figured it was his Institutiones Ecclesiasticae, and probably from volume I, likely chapter 27 (the citation in the enclycical indicates instit. 27:18 ).  I'm unsure what the "18" refers to.  This copy (the only complete copy I could find) does not have numerated subdivisions within each chapter: https://books.google.com/books?id=QHWmru22PGoC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I tried to locate Pius X's citation but I couldn't.  I'm not much of a Latinist, though, I'm sure someone else could.
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Quote from: Cantarella on August 20, 2018, 12:37:42 PM
Mmmm, so Christians are bound to the knowledge of specific truths of salvation but non-Christians can get away with not knowing?

It would seem than the knowledge of Christ and His Church (with the strict obligations that come with it) is rather a curse, then.

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I don't see how that follows from the quote you provided.  I was responding to your question viz. "what mysteries is Pope Pius X" referring to?  He doesn't, after all, say.  He cites another pope (incidentally, Institutiones Ecclesiasticae was a compilation of Benedict XIV's legal and pastoral works written before he was pope, published after he was pope.  At least, that's what I've gathered from looking into it.  Makes for an interesting case study in determining what magisterium it belongs to).
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2018, 01:05:49 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on August 20, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
Instit. 27:18 is a reference to Institutiones Ecclesiasticæ, which can be found there: books.google.com.

Benedict XIV quotes Cornelius a Lapide:


I couldn't find Cornelius a Lapide online. Possibly the mysteries of the Faith which MUST necessarily be known and believed are the ones from the Credo of St. Athanasius, or as specified by St. Thomas Aquinas.
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Excellent find, Struthio!  And a better copy than the one I dug up, by the looks of it.  Thanks kindly.
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