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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2016, 02:54:36 PM »
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    • Bump for LoE to listen to the sermon in the OP.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #76 on: July 12, 2016, 03:02:52 PM »
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    More name-calling.


    Yes, Lover of Heresy routinely trivializes membership in the Church as if it were mere legal technicality rather than an ontological reality.  That's why he disparages people who believe in EENS on the grounds that they think only "card-carrying" Catholics can enter heaven.  He reduces the Sacraments to mere rituals ("water and words") and membership in the Church to mere legalisms.  There has rarely been found a scoundrel more contemptuous of the Church and Sacraments than LoH.
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    « Reply #77 on: July 13, 2016, 09:09:35 AM »
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    Yes, Lover of Heresy routinely trivializes membership in the Church as if it were mere legal technicality rather than an ontological reality.  That's why he disparages people who believe in EENS on the grounds that they think only "card-carrying" Catholics can enter heaven.  He reduces the Sacraments to mere rituals ("water and words") and membership in the Church to mere legalisms.  There has rarely been found a scoundrel more contemptuous of the Church and Sacraments than LoH.


    You are such a hypocrite.  You just got on me when holding to the strict interpretation of membership.   :facepalm:
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #78 on: July 13, 2016, 09:11:12 AM »
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    Yes, Lover of Heresy routinely trivializes membership in the Church as if it were mere legal technicality rather than an ontological reality.  That's why he disparages people who believe in EENS on the grounds that they think only "card-carrying" Catholics can enter heaven.  He reduces the Sacraments to mere rituals ("water and words") and membership in the Church to mere legalisms.  There has rarely been found a scoundrel more contemptuous of the Church and Sacraments than LoH.


    He also reduces dogma to a "novel idea". How can it be possible to have any discussion about the Catholic faith with such a person?
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #79 on: July 13, 2016, 09:13:44 AM »
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    More name-calling.


    Yes, Lover of Heresy routinely trivializes membership in the Church as if it were mere legal technicality rather than an ontological reality.  That's why he disparages people who believe in EENS on the grounds that they think only "card-carrying" Catholics can enter heaven.  He reduces the Sacraments to mere rituals ("water and words") and membership in the Church to mere legalisms.  There has rarely been found a scoundrel more contemptuous of the Church and Sacraments than LoH.


    He also reduces dogma to a "novel idea". How can it be possible to have any discussion about the Catholic faith with such a person?


    Dogma is Dogma.  EENS is not novel but Feeney's interpretation of it is.  If you can only "defend" your error with accusations please make your accusations accurate.
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #80 on: July 13, 2016, 09:22:30 AM »
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    • Extra ecclesiam nulla salus = There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church and fancy that, it means what it says. You are the one who can't accept this.

    You profess the "re-formulated" version of the 20th century theologians and Novus Ordo Catechism - and either don't even realize it or you do realize it yet keep yapping about it anyway as if the "re-formulated" version is the real version.

    You really do need to listen to the sermon in the OP.

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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #81 on: July 13, 2016, 09:37:50 AM »
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    Extra ecclesiam nulla salus = There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church and fancy that, it means what it says. You are the one who can't accept this.

    You profess the "re-formulated" version of the 20th century theologians and Novus Ordo Catechism - and either don't even realize it or you do realize it yet keep yapping about it anyway as if the "re-formulated" version is the real version.

    You really do need to listen to the sermon in the OP.



    I know no one can be saved outside of the Church.  And Church is "The Roman Catholic Church".
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    « Reply #82 on: July 16, 2016, 05:19:36 AM »
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    • Bump for LoE to listen to the sermon in the OP then actually comment on the sermon.
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse
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