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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2014, 05:01:26 AM »
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I normally do not even read Stubborn's posts and I just proved to myself again why:

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the lying hypocrite that he is


Can you see the intellectual prowess oozing from his pores?  This really helps settle the issue doesn't it?

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rejects the authoritative decree of Vatican 1


There you have it.  He said it so it must be true.  Quote the treatise by Stubborn substantiating his claims from verifiable sources while discussing the issue with his typical cogent, logical and precise reasoning.  

Very rich indeed.  

 :cheers:



Say what you want, but one thing you'll never say, is anything in defense of the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation - and you never have and you never will as long as you preach they are not an absolute necessity - while you yourself presumably partake of them every week, this is hypocrisy.

You just keep trumpeting the same modernist teachings, invoking the names of great saints in your attempt to support your heresy of preaching the reception of the sacrament is optional, that is, not necessary unto salvation.


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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2014, 11:20:11 AM »
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Incorrect.  The above Sainted Doctors of the Church teach that it is possible for one to be justified by the desire for Baptism and Alphonsus teaches this is De Fide based upon Trent.  The interpreted the Latin correctly.  If you do not grant this we cannot even talk.
 


Yes, but they were FAR FAR FAR from believing that non - Catholics can be saved without even an explicit belief in Christ, as you do. Or to believe in salvation by "justification alone", like you do. Again, NONE of these saints that you are fond of citing believe in the heresy that you actually believe in and promote: salvation of the invincible ignorant via implicit desire.

You care not for BOD or BOB. As a matter of fact, the case for BOD had never even been relevant or an issue with EENS. the Americanists made it one. The error of invincible ignorance comes from the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and was carried over Vatican II docuмents and rapidly spread by the modernist liberals who are in power and control all channels of information.

Alphonsus and Bellarmine would be totally horrified to see how you have twisted and abused their teachings to promote your novel heresies. I doubt that these sedevacantists BOD adherents are actually taking the Sacraments dispensed only by the Catholic Church, to nourish their spiritual lives and achieve salvation (after all, they don't even think that the sacraments are necessary for salvation). I am willing to bet that most do not. That would explain a lot for their spiritual blindness.  


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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2014, 07:48:02 AM »
Okay.  You are right and Aquinas, Bellarmine and Alphonsus are wrong.  I get it.  I don't understand why I did not see this before.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2014, 10:02:14 AM »
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[Say what you want, but one thing you'll never say, is anything in defense of the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation - and you never have and you never will as long as you preach they are not an absolute necessity - while you yourself presumably partake of them every week, this is hypocrisy.


I gave credit to Nishant for using the formulation receiving Baptism in voto, but these other guys are obstinate in their denial of the necessity of Baptism for salvation.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2014, 10:03:36 AM »
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Okay.  You are right and Aquinas, Bellarmine and Alphonsus are wrong.  I get it.  I don't understand why I did not see this before.


Again, you hide behind Aquinas, Bellarmine, and Alphonsus by pretending that their understanding of BoD backs up your heretical view of Faith of Desire, denying the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation, and Vatican II subsistence ecclesiology.  Not even close.  Don't pretend that you have these Doctors on your side.  They would anathematize you.