Author Topic: Innocent III Contradicts St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Alphonsus about BoD (Read 4383 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2014, 03:50:54 PM »

Quote from: St. Alphonsus, Moral Theology, Volume V, Book 6, n. 96):

Baptism of the spirit supplies the place of the true river of Baptism] with respect to the remission of the guilt, but not with respect to the character to be imprinted, nor with respect to the full liability of the punishment to be removed.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2014, 03:52:07 PM »

I need to play that tune from Jeopardy when they're waiting for an answer.

Stubborn · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2014, 03:34:36 AM »

The main point of a BOD is that the souls gets to heaven without the sacrament and via their own presumed implicit sincerity - provided their situation makes sacramental baptism an impossibility. That is the main thing, that is the only thing all NSAAers agree on.

Never mind that everyone who has ever spoken of a BOD being salvific cannot agree on anything else about it, never mind that between them they always contradict each other and contradict the dogma - just so long as the soul gets rewarded heaven without the sacrament, therefore outside the Church.

Now LoE can be expected to spam the thread with another dozen double talking explanations in essay form explaining why a BOD has so many different variations.

Histrionics · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2014, 10:51:52 AM »

Why are you throwing around the "Cushingite" epithet in a discussion revolving solely around catechumens?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2014, 08:00:00 PM »

Quote from: Histrionics

Why are you throwing around the "Cushingite" epithet in a discussion revolving solely around catechumens?

Why not? They constantly call us "Feeneyite"? So in order to come up with a similar shorthand, I coined the term Cushingite.