Author Topic: In Defense of Father Leonard Feeney (Read 9926 times)

Deliveringit · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2013, 09:14:44 AM »

Father Feeney was a living Saint

Jehanne · « **Reply #66 on:** June 17, 2013, 09:19:31 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Just like in his own day, the subject of Fr. Feeney is corrupted with off topic rhetoric that is comprised of incomplete sentences and
ambiguous doubletalk that avoids addressing the core issues.

This whole thread is a waste of time.

The OP was pretty good, though. Thanks, Director.

What is the "core issue?"

So what is the "core issue?"

Here it is:

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Can those who are visibly non-Catholic have an assurance of salvation?

Traditionalists say, "No way!"; modernists say, "Yes, absolutely!" The latter are heretics, because even the 1949 Holy Office Letter stated:

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We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemn judgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (<Denzinger>, n. 1792).

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

Well, which infallible statement? Of course, there are at least three! But, which one did the author of the 1949 Letter have in mind? Given his verbiage, he was probably thinking of the one from Florence which states that everyone must end their life "in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." And yet, the modernists remain unconvinced. Why?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #67 on:** June 22, 2013, 07:34:34 PM »

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This thread was given a second chance HERE, but the same
diversionary elements have attempted to derail it again.

I find it interesting that any discussion on what's really important
predictably devolves into a heated crabfest over BOD and so-called
invincible ignorance.

The ancient Greeks had the same problem. A bunch of wise guys
got together arguing that no movement could ever take place and
therefore nobody would ever be able to make the first step toward
any objective. Etc. But not being able to demonstrate their theory
with any practical examples (other than how obstinate they were in
their own thinking, that is), the practicality of their philosophy
gradually dragged them all down.

Likewise today, with the Modernist reliance on so-called invincible
ignorance and BOD, the missions have declined and the Faith of
Catholics is in a general decline worldwide, while protestants and
pagans have a field day where the missions used to be flourishing.

Why insist on being concerned over the spiritual fate of an ignorant
indigenous native on a desert island when you can't seem to make
any progress with converting your own next-door neighbor?

So ABL was the primary missionary for all of Africa. The state of
the Church today in that continent and its history cannot be given
serious consideration without reference to his work. And he did
hold BOD and BOB. He was able to remain zealous and not let
down his guard under the assault of Modernism -- but such heroic
virtue is not easy to come by. For most of us less capable folk,
these arguments have the effect of extinguishing apostolic zeal,
and providing an opportunity for false religions to rise in power.

And then to add insult to injury, the recent popes have been going
all-out to schmooze with pagans, heretics and atheists to the
general scandal of everyone who holds the one, true faith, outside
of which there is no salvation.

Stubborn · « **Reply #68 on:** June 25, 2013, 05:28:55 AM »

I find it audacious that after the Boston Heresy Case, a New Catechism with a new teaching of BOD was published which supported the stand that Archbishop Cushing of Boston began.

Archbishop Cushing was the instigator who began the slanderous campaign against the dogma and Fr. Feeney.

I submit that someday, instead of Fr. Feeney being slandered for "his" stringent(?) interpretation of EENS, there will be an explicitly condemned heresy known as Cushingism, which teaches that there is salvation outside the Church via a BOD. Today's BOD promoters should in fact, be labeled as Cushingites since he was the one who in some way coined the term.

Anyway, a few snips from wiki about Cardinal Cushing From Wikipedia:

...Cushing built useful relationships with Jews, Protestants, and institutions outside the usual Catholic community.
...Cushing, says Nasaw, was “fun-loving, informal, and outgoing. He looked rather like a tough, handsome, Irish cop and behaved more like a ward politician than a high church cleric.

During his tenure, Boston would see the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney for his stringent interpretation of the Catholic doctrine that there is no salvation outside the Church.

At the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965) Cushing played a vital role in drafting Nostra Aetate, the docuмent that officially absolved the Jews of deicide charge. His emotional comments during debates over the drafts were echoed in the final version.

He was deeply committed to implementing the Council's reforms and promoting renewal in the Church. In an unprecedented gesture of ecuмenism, he even encouraged Catholics to attend Billy Graham's crusades.