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Offline Cantarella

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If the Conciliar popes are not Popes
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2015, 01:59:05 PM »
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    Fr. Feeney was censored because of his defense of the dogma, EENS.


    Most people don't know that the BoD issue came up later and was not why Father was being attacked by the Cushingites and the Boston Jewry.


    That is true. Most people are under the impression that Fr. Feeney was "excommunicated" for denying Baptism of Desire / Blood. This is false. The Holy Office in 1949 was totally unaware of Fr. Feeney's views concerning on BOD / BOB. For these views were first expressed in his book Bread of Life, which was not published until 1952.  

    Found this in my annotations somewhere:

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    Archbishop Cushing thinks that the kingdom of heaven is taken not by violence, but by ignorance. He thinks that the Protestants and Jews of Boston, where there is a Catholic church on every fourth or fifth street corner, will be saved either because they are unaware of the Faith, or else because they are too thick to understand it. In his largesse, the gate of heaven is open to all — both to those who die with the sacraments and to those who die hating Christ and His Church. Here is how he puts it: “When I die and go to Heaven, if I don’t find you there, I’ll know it’s because you’re not dead yet.”

    In his published statements, Archbishop Cushing sounds more like a vote-coaxing politician than like a spokesman for the Church. Here are some of them:

    To the Jews, who have for 2,000 years proclaimed their rejection of the Christ he professes to love, the Archbishop offers this expression of muddled charity: “No man could have my faith concerning Christ ... without loving Him and the people who produced Him, the Jews.”

    To the Protestants, he presents this modest message, letting them know that the mission of the Catholic Church in America is merely to carry on the work begun by the nation’s Protestant founders: “Catholics are standing just as and where the Protestants did when they had complete moral leadership of the community.”

    To non-Catholics generally, here is his assurance that they shouldn’t give a thought to changing their religion: “In the last analysis people will learn morality best within the household of their own spiritual families.”

    And, ultimately, to his clergy, here is his modernization of the Gospel admonition about the narrow path and the strait way that leadeth to life: “No priest can be content today with serving God or saving people in a circuмscribed or narrow path.”



     :facepalm:
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #46 on: January 23, 2015, 09:51:10 PM »
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    Fr. Feeney was censored because of his defense of the dogma, EENS.


    Most people don't know that the BoD issue came up later and was not why Father was being attacked by the Cushingites and the Boston Jewry.


    That is true. Most people are under the impression that Fr. Feeney was "excommunicated" for denying Baptism of Desire / Blood. This is false. The Holy Office in 1949 was totally unaware of Fr. Feeney's views concerning on BOD / BOB. For these views were first expressed in his book Bread of Life, which was not published until 1952.  




    What?? No objections, from other Feeney-sympathizers, to what Cantarella just posted here?! For the sake of truth?





    What is to object?

    It is more than evident that your ignorance about the whole matter is beyond severe. You should probably stick to reading and asking questions only, for you have nothing here to say.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #47 on: January 24, 2015, 09:15:38 AM »
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    Fr. Feeney was censored because of his defense of the dogma, EENS.


    Most people don't know that the BoD issue came up later and was not why Father was being attacked by the Cushingites and the Boston Jewry.


    That is true. Most people are under the impression that Fr. Feeney was "excommunicated" for denying Baptism of Desire / Blood. This is false. The Holy Office in 1949 was totally unaware of Fr. Feeney's views concerning on BOD / BOB. For these views were first expressed in his book Bread of Life, which was not published until 1952.  




    What?? No objections, from other Feeney-sympathizers, to what Cantarella just posted here?! For the sake of truth?





    There's nothing to object to.  For anyone who's ever read anything about the history of Father Feeney and SBC, you'll know that Father's issue was the dogma EENS ... which was being OPENLY denied by Cardinal Cushing.  It was only upon later, deeper reflection that he came to adopt his opinion regarding Baptism of Desire, and he always referred to it as an opinion.  BoD was NEVER Father Feeney's emphasis; EENS was.


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    « Reply #48 on: January 24, 2015, 11:22:22 AM »
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    Fr. Feeney was censored because of his defense of the dogma, EENS.


    Most people don't know that the BoD issue came up later and was not why Father was being attacked by the Cushingites and the Boston Jewry.


    That is true. Most people are under the impression that Fr. Feeney was "excommunicated" for denying Baptism of Desire / Blood. This is false. The Holy Office in 1949 was totally unaware of Fr. Feeney's views concerning on BOD / BOB. For these views were first expressed in his book Bread of Life, which was not published until 1952.  




    What?? No objections, from other Feeney-sympathizers, to what Cantarella just posted here?! For the sake of truth?





    What is to object?

    It is more than evident that your ignorance about the whole matter is beyond severe. You should probably stick to reading and asking questions only, for you have nothing here to say.  


    Look in the mirror when you say this. You mentioned 1952, and he was excommunicated in 1953. Do you understand that 1953 comes chronologically AFTER 1952?  

    Please do stick to reading only, your ignorance is quite severe. People who have trouble with numbers & the concept of before/after, are in serious trouble.


    As always, you miss the whole point  :rolleyes:

    The censorship of Fr. Feeney and later excommunication had nothing to do with the teaching on "Baptism of Desire"; but with the "rigorist" view of on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus, coming from Saint Benedict Center combined with the liberal and political maneuvers of Cardinal Cushing and other progressivists at Rome.

    The "excommunication" itself was because of "disobedience", not "heresy". This means, again, that it was not because of his views on BOD. Fr. Feeney was not "excommunicated" for doctrine, but for discipline. There is no mention of doctrinal error in the "decree of excommunication". When Fr. Feeney was reconciled, he did so without ever recanting his position on EENS and BOD.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #49 on: January 24, 2015, 11:48:14 AM »
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    Look in the mirror when you say this. You mentioned 1952, and he was excommunicated in 1953. Do you understand that 1953 comes chronologically AFTER 1952?  

    Please do stick to reading only, your ignorance is quite severe. People who have trouble with numbers & the concept of before/after, are in serious trouble.


    You're both mentally and spiritually sick, Nado.

    SH was allegedly fabricated in 1949.  Mysteriously, however, it wasn't released until 1952, AFTER its alleged author had passed away.  Makes you go hmmmm.  It was never published in AAS and, consequently, by Church law, it isn't even part of the authentic Magisterium.  Father Feeney waged battle in the late 40s on the grounds of EENS alone and SH attacked him for his position on EENS; SH had nothing to do with Baptism of Desire, as Father Feeney had not even formulated his later position on the subject.  Father Feeney was excommunicated in February of 1953 on the grounds of his refusal to appear in Rome and NOT for any specific doctrinal reasons.  SH is what attacks Father Feeney's doctrine, and it was allegedly written in 1949.





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    « Reply #50 on: January 24, 2015, 05:19:25 PM »
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    Ah yes, Lasislaus admits Fr. Fenton was decieved about Fr. Feeney in 1949 and his excommunication in 1952, ...


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    « Reply #51 on: January 24, 2015, 05:22:22 PM »
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    You say that SH had nothing to so with baptism of desire, but that is not true. Here is an excerpt:

    Quote from: Suprema Haec Sacra
    In his infinite mercy, God willed that, since it was a matter of the means of salvation ordained for man's ultimate end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, its salutary effects could also be obtained in certain circuмstances when these means are only objects of "desire" or of "hope". This point was clearly established at the Council of Trent, with regard to both the sacrament of baptism and of penance (Denziger, n. 797 and 807).

    The same must be said of the Church, as a general means of salvation. That is why for a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member, but he must at least be united to the Church through desire or hope.

    However, it is not always necessary that this hope be explicit as in the case of catechumens. When one is in a state of invincible ignorance, God accepts an implicit desire, thus called because it is implicit in the soul's good disposition, whereby it desires to conform its will to the will of God.

    These things are clearly expressed in the dogmatic letter published by the Sovereign Pontiff Pius XII 29 June 1943 "on the mystical Body of Jesus Christ" (A.A.S., vol. XXXV, 1943, p. 193 and sq.). In this Letter, the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are presently incorporated into the Church as members and those who are united with her through desire only.


    Uhm, no.  Reading comprehension please.  This is talking about Membership in the Church by Desire not Baptism of Desire.

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    « Reply #52 on: January 24, 2015, 05:25:31 PM »
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    I am both "mentally and spiritually sick" because I don't accept something "allegedly" fabricated?


    No, but just because you are; you have established this over the course of your many posts.