Author Topic: If the Conciliar popes are not Popes (Read 5771 times)

Cantarella · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2015, 08:18:32 PM »

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Is there a term to describe those who adhere to the teachings of someone who is excommunicated?

Please keep in mind that you are in a SSPX / Resistance forum.

I recommend you quit pursuing this imprudent and failed attempt which will probably get you banned.

Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated by a Conciliar pope.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated by a pre-Conciliar Pope.

Spot the difference.

Still, this is not a sedevacantist forum, but Resistance, which formally opposes the schism of sedevacantism. This means that the conciliar Popes have all been valid and legitimate popes who, despite their Modernism, have kept their Universal Jurisdiction.

Besides, the OP question has already been answered: No, the holy hatred against Sedevacantism has nothing to do with the excommunication of Fr. Feeney; but you keep insisting, out of malice and bitterness. You insist, because in order to compensate the lack of any serious argument, you still feel the need to be participating somehow in these threads with spiteful comments.

As said before, if you have such a big trouble with traditional Catholics "who adhere to the teachings of a man who is excommunicated", you are in the wrong forum. No need to delight us with your presence.

2Vermont · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2015, 08:54:17 PM »

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And with this post, you should be banned. That would get you to stop posting at least.

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What a hypocrite. Those are the exact same words you fling about casually all the time against the V2 Popes. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

To quote a famous author, If your brains were made of dynamite, there wouldn't be enough to blow your hat off.

Here's the thing. We're not supposed to call others non-Catholics on this site. And you just did. This has nothing to do with the V2 popes or whether I "can take it". I don't care what you think of me.

My bad. Except if "you're making a point" (and aren't a dogmatic sedevacantist). Carry on.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2015, 05:30:04 AM »

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Is there a term to describe those who adhere to the teachings of someone who is excommunicated?

Please keep in mind that you are in a SSPX / Resistance forum.

I recommend you quit pursuing this imprudent and failed attempt which will probably get you banned.

Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated by a Conciliar pope.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated by a pre-Conciliar Pope.

Spot the difference.

Still, this is not a sedevacantist forum, but Resistance, which formally opposes the schism of sedevacantism. This means that the conciliar Popes have all been valid and legitimate popes who, despite their Modernism, have kept their Universal Jurisdiction.

Besides, the OP question has already been answered: No, the holy hatred against Sedevacantism has nothing to do with the excommunication of Fr. Feeney; but you keep insisting, out of malice and bitterness. You insist, because in order to compensate the lack of any serious argument, you still feel the need to be participating somehow in these threads with spiteful comments.

As said before, if you have such a big trouble with traditional Catholics "who adhere to the teachings of a man who is excommunicated", you are in the wrong forum. No need to delight us with your presence.

You are reconciled to the Conciliar Church.

What are YOU doing on an SSPX/Resistance forum.

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2015, 05:31:16 AM »

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Ladislaus, blatantly violated the serious rules of this forum....and he knows it. What will be done?

Nothing will be done.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2015, 10:34:14 AM »

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Pius XII giving us that final verdict/teaching with Fr. Feeney is even more solemnly decided than the Holy Office attaching an indulgence to a prayer.

:roll-laugh1:

Neither one of these is "solemnly decided"; you make a mockery of Catholic theology.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2015, 11:30:02 AM »

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Pius XII giving us that final verdict/teaching with Fr. Feeney is even more solemnly decided than the Holy Office attaching an indulgence to a prayer.

:roll-laugh1:

Neither one of these is "solemnly decided"; you make a mockery of Catholic theology.

There are most definitely degrees of solemnity and authority in the Church. That is a plain fact. If you don't see that, you are in worse shape than I thought.

Please actually read some real theology manuals (after a review of basic catechism); you'll notice that "solemn" is not broadly applied to every act of the Church's authority. No, sir, it is you who are in sorry shape.

Cantarella · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2015, 12:40:31 PM »

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Is there a term to describe those who adhere to the teachings of someone who is excommunicated?

Please keep in mind that you are in a SSPX / Resistance forum.

I recommend you quit pursuing this imprudent and failed attempt which will probably get you banned.

Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated by a Conciliar pope.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated by a pre-Conciliar Pope.

Spot the difference.

Still, this is not a sedevacantist forum, but Resistance, which formally opposes the schism of sedevacantism. This means that the conciliar Popes have all been valid and legitimate popes who, despite their Modernism, have kept their Universal Jurisdiction.

Besides, the OP question has already been answered: No, the holy hatred against Sedevacantism has nothing to do with the excommunication of Fr. Feeney; but you keep insisting, out of malice and bitterness. You insist, because in order to compensate the lack of any serious argument, you still feel the need to be participating somehow in these threads with spiteful comments.

As said before, if you have such a big trouble with traditional Catholics "who adhere to the teachings of a man who is excommunicated", you are in the wrong forum. No need to delight us with your presence.

You are reconciled to the Conciliar Church.

What are YOU doing on an SSPX/Resistance forum.

At present time, only exposing the schismatic heresy of Sedevacantism for everyone of good will, including the SSPX crowd.

But usually, promoting and publicly defending the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus dogma, as written, across the internet and other means of massive communication, regardless of the fora affiliation, reaching as many souls as possible.

In both cases, I always keep my place and exercise the prudence of NOT viciously attacking the position of whoever owns the forum, which in this case happens to be the SSPX / Resistance. Again, the only position that is uncompromisable is the defense of the EENS dogma.

Sedevacantism runs opposite to the EENS dogma, which is our only concern. Therefore, it must be resisted.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2015, 03:58:28 PM »

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In both cases, I always keep my place and exercise the prudence of NOT viciously attacking the position of whoever owns the forum, which in this case happens to be the SSPX / Resistance.

I have news for you, this forum allows the sedevacantist position to be argued, and that position does go against the SSPX/Resistance position.

But dogmatic SVism is grounds for dismissal from the forum, and you are about as dogmatic as they get.

roscoe · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2015, 04:16:53 PM »

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Is this why the Feeneyists hate Sedevacantism with such a passion.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated in 1953 and reconciled in 1972.

If Sedevacantism is true then Fr Feeney is still excommunicated?

Could explain a lot.

Why would Pius XII ex-comm Fr Feeney when he had supported him in Humani Generis?

Answer is that he wouldn't and didn't. :reporter:

2Vermont · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2015, 05:51:44 PM »

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In both cases, I always keep my place and exercise the prudence of NOT viciously attacking the position of whoever owns the forum, which in this case happens to be the SSPX / Resistance.

I have news for you, this forum allows the sedevacantist position to be argued, and that position does go against the SSPX/Resistance position.

But dogmatic SVism is grounds for dismissal from the forum, and you are about as dogmatic as they get.

Dogmatic SVism means to say that others are not Catholic if they don't accept the position. I have never said another person is a non-Catholic.....unlike you have, TO THE MAX!

No, you haven't.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** January 19, 2015, 06:05:07 PM »

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Dogmatic SVism means to say that others are not Catholic if they don't accept the position. I have never said another person is a non-Catholic.....unlike you have, TO THE MAX!

Except for Jorge Bergoglio.

Like your compatriots you're just a liar who hides it so as not to get kicked off the forum.

roscoe · « **Reply #26 on:** January 20, 2015, 01:19:53 PM »

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Why would Pius XII ex-comm Fr Feeney when he had supported him in Humani Generis?

Answer is that he wouldn't and didn't.

I am interested to here your perspective on this....I tend to agree with you here.

What is the basis of your conclusion?

Pls read After The Boston Heresy Case by Gary Potter..... :reading:

Any piece of paper calling Fr Feeney to Rome or ex-communicating him for non-compliance is a fraud. Just as fraudulent as the alleged 'OTO Manifesto' claiming that Card Rampolla was Grand Master of that nefarious organisation....

roscoe · « **Reply #27 on:** January 20, 2015, 08:43:47 PM »

Sorry, I don't have time to post all the relevant passages. The book is basically a defense of Fr Feeney.

My conclusion is that Fr Feeney was never called to Rome or excommunicated by Pius XII. :soapbox:

Cantarella · « **Reply #28 on:** January 20, 2015, 10:10:09 PM »

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Why would Pius XII ex-comm Fr Feeney when he had supported him in Humani Generis?

Answer is that he wouldn't and didn't.

I am interested to here your perspective on this....I tend to agree with you here.

What is the basis of your conclusion?

Pls read After The Boston Heresy Case by Gary Potter..... :reading:

Any piece of paper calling Fr Feeney to Rome or ex-communicating him for non-compliance is a fraud. Just as fraudulent as the alleged 'OTO Manifesto' claiming that Card Rampolla was Grand Master of that nefarious organisation....

http://store.catholicism.org/after-the-boston-heresy-case.html

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By Gary Potter

At last the whole story of Father Leonard Feeney, renowned poet, writer and theologian, who accused the Boston Hierarchy of heresy in 1949, when he and his students at Saint Benedict Center uncovered a complete agenda underway to sell out the Roman catholic Church by undermining its doctrines, especially extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Outside the Church there is no salvation. After the silencing of Father Feeney this doctrine was labeled a "dead horse" issue, yet its truth continues to haunt the faithful. Mr. Potter masterfully handles the issues doctrinally and historically and at the same time he gives clear and precise data on the present Saint Benedict Center.

To go after something is to inquire into it, to be in search of it, to seek the truth about it. In this book, veteran Catholic journalist Gary Potter goes after the truth concerning one of last century’s principal religious controversies, the so-called Boston Heresy Case, and its chief figure, Rev. Leonard Feeney, S.J.

The most famous Jesuit of his day, Fr. Feeney broadcast on the radio, his books were best sellers, his poetry was mandatory reading in parochial schools. Suddenly, newspapers throughout the country were reporting that he was charged with heresy, expelled from the ranks of the Jesuits, and even “excommunicated.” Now his verse was removed from textbooks and Catholics were forbidden by high Church authorities to have any association with him. Scores of young men and women, students of Saint Benedict Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts, defied the ban. On Sunday afternoons, they accompanied the famed cleric to Boston Common, the public park where he took to preaching when he was denied a pulpit. Leading magazines labeled him the “hate priest” on account of his preaching.

Did he hate? Was he excommunicated? Was it because he preached that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation? Gary Potter sorts the facts from the myths and the result is more than the true story of Fr. Leonard Feeney and the “Boston Heresy Case.” As Fr. Dennis P. Smith describes it in his Preface to the book: “In an era when our Catholic people and prospective converts are being force-fed on a starvation diet of watered-down doctrine and junk-food liturgy, Gary Potter has provided a banquet for the heart and soul.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #29 on:** January 21, 2015, 05:18:43 AM »

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Sorry, I don't have time to post all the relevant passages. The book is basically a defense of Fr Feeney.

My conclusion is that Fr Feeney was never called to Rome or excommunicated by Pius XII. :soapbox:

I don't doubt it. SH was clearly fabricated, so it would stand to reason that the same forces engineered the "excommunication" as well.