Is this why the Feeneyists hate Sedevacantism with such a passion.

Fr Feeney was excommunicated in 1953 and reconciled in 1972.

If Sedevacantism is true then Fr Feeney is still excommunicated?

Could explain a lot.

Nice try.

I lean SV myself.  I have no "hatred" for SVism; just think it's wrong.  In the Dimonds and their followers you find "Feeneyites" who are foaming-at-the-mouth SVs.

Of course people such as the Three SV Stooges on this thread here do tempt us to a hatred of SVism.

It's quite the contrary.  Most SVs utterly despise Father Feeney due to their exaggerated notion of infallibility that would have the heretical SH be considered tantamount to a dogmatic definition.  What a bunch of bad-willed idiocy.  You make a mockery of Catholic theology.

What's so utterly ironic about this is that you bluster on and on about the heresies of the V2 Popes, but YOU HOLD THE SAME MANIFEST HERESIES THAT THEY DO with regard to ecclesiology and soteriology.  You differ NOT A LICK from these men.  So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Consequently, by your own criteria, I hereby judge Nado, awkward, and 2V to be manifest heretics and therefore outside the Church and not Catholics.

And with this post, you should be banned.  That would get you to stop posting at least.

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What a hypocrite.  Those are the exact same words you fling about casually all the time against the V2 Popes.  If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

To quote a famous author, If your brains were made of dynamite, there wouldn't be enough to blow your hat off.

No, the excommunication / reconciliation of Fr. Feeney is not the reason. Natural Catholic aversion to schism and heresy is, combined with the following:


1) Fr. Feeney strict adherence to the Extra Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus thrice infallibly defined dogma. One of its parts read:

 "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

In the words of Fr. Feeney himself:

 The gate of the Kingdom of Heaven in beatitude was opened for the first time by the entrance of Jesus. The keys to that gate were put in the hands of Christ’s Vicar on earth when He said to Peter, and his successors: “And I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.” No matter what we do in the way of justification, we can never enter salvation unless we enter it under the leadership of him who has the keys to that Kingdom.

 That flesh and blood Vicar of Jesus Christ is none other than the Pope, our Holy Father, a visible head for Christ’s visible Church. He is a man whom we can point to as the visible Vicar on earth of the visible Christ in eternity. He is as pointable-at now in time as Jesus once was when He walked the streets of Jerusalem, followed by Peter and His Apostles.

 It is a defined dogma of the Catholic Church that no one can be saved who is not subject to that flesh and blood Vicar of Jesus, the Roman Pontiff. It is one of the requirements for salvation. Justification is useless for purposes of the Beatific Vision unless submission to Christ’s Vicar has been added to it in essential complement.

 Pope Boniface VIII, in 1302, infallibly declared in his bull, Unam Sanctam: “We declare, say, define and pronounce, that it is wholly necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” A defined dogma can never be changed. It holds for every age; it applies to every generation, until the end of time.

 If you do not have a belief in, and submission to, a visible Holy Father and a visible Church, with clear distinguishable marks, you will never get into Heaven.

That is why not authentic disciple of Father Feeney could become a sedevacantist and sedevacantists are not allowed in the SBC Third Order.


2) Sedevacantist heretical denial of another part of EENS via Baptism of Desire -> Invincible Ignorance

"The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and teaches, that none of those who are not within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but Jews, heretics and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire 'prepared for the devil, and his angels' (Mt. 25:41)., unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into that Church; also that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is such that the Church's sacraments avail only those abiding in that Church, and that fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of piety which play their part in the Christian combat are in her alone productive of eternal rewards; moreover, that no one, no matter what alms he may have given, not even if he were to shed his blood for Christ's sake, can be saved unless he abide in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." (Mansi, Concilia, xxxi, 1739; Pope Eugene IV, in the bull, Cantate Domino, 1441)."

Most sedevacantists here have gone further than any conciliar Pope in their diabolical hatred for EENS: They have actually made Baptism of Desire an infallible dogma of the Faith and accuse whoever denies BOD of heresy! but in reality, they are not defending the fallible teaching of Baptism of Desire at all (far from), but the pelagian distortion of it: salvation by implicit desire for the invincible ignorant. At the end, there is not an absolute necessity of formally converting to Catholicism and entering the Church via Baptism. Any Jew can be saved as a jew, a moslem as moslem, and a hindu as hindu....In doing this, they share the exact same liberal Cushinguite error of the conciliar Popes they reject and become faithful disciples of modernist Rahner and all destroyers of true Tradition.

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And with this post, you should be banned.  That would get you to stop posting at least.

 :roll-laugh1:

What a hypocrite.  Those are the exact same words you fling about casually all the time against the V2 Popes.  If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

To quote a famous author, If your brains were made of dynamite, there wouldn't be enough to blow your hat off.

Here's the thing.  We're not supposed to call others non-Catholics on this site.  And you just did.  This has nothing to do with the V2 popes or whether I "can take it".  I don't care what you think of me.  

And I did this quite on purposes to elicit the exact kind of SV hypocrisy which you demonstrated in your post.  I was baiting you, and you took the bait.

Please explain why it's OK for you to declare the V2 Popes to be non Catholics but why I can't call you non-Catholics.

If Sedevacantism is true and the Conciliar popes are not Popes, then Fr Feeney is still excommunicated.  You must be aware of this.  All Feeneyites must be aware of this.  If the Sedevacanists are right, it means that you adhere to the teachings of a man who is excommunicated.  As a Feenyite yourself, you therefore have an unstated agenda in these discussions.  

For you to accuse myself, Nado and 2Vermont of being heretics is a joke.

   



 

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And with this post, you should be banned.  That would get you to stop posting at least.

 :roll-laugh1:

What a hypocrite.  Those are the exact same words you fling about casually all the time against the V2 Popes.  If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

To quote a famous author, If your brains were made of dynamite, there wouldn't be enough to blow your hat off.

Here's the thing.  We're not supposed to call others non-Catholics on this site.  And you just did.  This has nothing to do with the V2 popes or whether I "can take it".  I don't care what you think of me.  

And I did this quite on purposes to elicit the exact kind of SV hypocrisy which you demonstrated in your post.  I was baiting you, and you took the bait.

Please explain why it's OK for you to declare the V2 Popes to be non Catholics but why I can't call you non-Catholics.

If Sedevacantism is true and the Conciliar popes are not Popes, then Fr Feeney is still excommunicated.  You must be aware of this.  All Feeneyites must be aware of this. If the Sedevacanists are right, it means that you adhere to the teachings of a man who is excommunicated.  As a Feenyite yourself, you therefore have an unstated agenda in these discussions.  

For you to accuse myself, Nado and 2Vermont of being heretics is a joke.


 

But sedevacantists are not right, but quite wrong indeed.

Besides, the SSPX and the Resistance (as well as all other traditional groups offering the "Mass of All Ages" adhere to Archbishop Lefevbre, who sadly died excommunicated but to whom all traditional Catholics own a great deal of respect and reverence given that none of us would probably be in the counter-revolutionary "Traditional Movement" today if it was not because of him.

If you have a such great problem with traditional Catholics "adhering to the teaching of a man who is excommunicated" (such as Lefvebre) then you need to be out of this forum asap, which is SSPX / Resistance.

Your argument is invalid.

I'll take care of the threats/bans/disciplinary action, thank you very much.

A note to ALL parties in this thread: No one speaks for me -- or threatens for me -- except me.

Fortunately, I'm not brain dead, nor am I a computer program. Yes, if I wrote a computer program to detect "calling someone non-Catholic" it would have found a match with Ladislaus' recent post.

But as a human being (with reason and common sense), I see what he meant. He was making a point. I understand that.

If any of you are TRULY sick and tired of this discussion (along with accusations, etc.) you are ALWAYS welcome to stop hanging out in the Feeneyism alleyway, and/or the Crisis subforum.

There are tons of good posts on CI outside of these two subfora. I would know, as I seldom enter the Crisis in the Church/Feeneyism subfora.

I created those subfora as there are some Catholics who can't get enough of such discussion. Well, I'm the opposite. I find it a complete waste of time and a distraction. I would rather program a real-time strategy war game for the browser. It's still a waste of time, but at least it doesn't inflame countless passions to anger with no "final verdict" in sight...

I'll take care of the threats/bans/disciplinary action, thank you very much.

A note to ALL parties in this thread: No one speaks for me -- or threatens for me -- except me.

Fortunately, I'm not brain dead, nor am I a computer program. Yes, if I wrote a computer program to detect "calling someone non-Catholic" it would have found a match with Ladislaus' recent post.

But as a human being (with reason and common sense), I see what he meant. He was making a point. I understand that.

If any of you are TRULY sick and tired of this discussion (along with accusations, etc.) you are ALWAYS welcome to stop hanging out in the Feeneyism alleyway, and/or the Crisis subforum.

There are tons of good posts on CI outside of these two subfora. I would know, as I seldom enter the Crisis in the Church/Feeneyism subfora.

I created those subfora as there are some Catholics who can't get enough of such discussion. Well, I'm the opposite. I find it a complete waste of time and a distraction. I would rather program a real-time strategy war game for the browser. It's still a waste of time, but at least it doesn't inflame countless passions to anger with no "final verdict" in sight...

Oh I'm done with this discussion alright.  I have decided to ignore the usual  suspects.  I will say Matthew, that it would have been nice to have gotten a private response to my PM given my PM regarding this matter was done out of respect for you.

I'll also add that I originally wasn't going to contact you because I figured you wouldn't do anything anyway.  I guess I should have followed my gut.