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ElwinRansom1970 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2021, 09:21:56 PM »

Were I elected Pope, I would not do anything. I would be silent and hidden so that the person of the Pope could recede out of the daily lives of Catholics. I would let the una cuм become the central connection of practicing Catholics with the Office of Peter which would again be made the visible sign of unity and the see of final appeal for doctrinal and disciplinary disputes. The oracle papacy with its rock star cult of personality so common in contemporary times would give way to a reserved, contemplative, and distant Papacy.

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2021, 09:42:53 AM »

Quote from: Matto on March 09, 2021, 04:01:57 PM

How do you know he was reluctant and did not believe in it himself? But anyway stating the beginning of Genesis is true would be the most important thing for a traditional Pope to do. Strike at the heart of the beast. The heart of the beast today is evolution.

We don't *know*, but there isn't any evidence that I'm aware of that he believed it. He doesn't say he believed it in HG.

//36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. However, this must be done in such a way that the reasons for both opinions, that is, those favorable and those unfavorable to evolution, be weighed and judged with the necessary seriousness, moderation and measure, and provided that all are prepared to submit to the judgment of the Church, to whom Christ has given the mission of interpreting authentically the Sacred Scriptures and of defending the dogmas of faith.[11] Some however, rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question.
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Perhaps this is imprudent, but I don't see anything here that would suggest that he believed it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2021, 10:02:53 AM »

Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on March 09, 2021, 09:21:56 PM

Were I elected Pope, I would not do anything. I would be silent and hidden so that the person of the Pope could recede out of the daily lives of Catholics. I would let the una cuм become the central connection of practicing Catholics with the Office of Peter which would again be made the visible sign of unity and the see of final appeal for doctrinal and disciplinary disputes. The oracle papacy with its rock star cult of personality so common in contemporary times would give way to a reserved, contemplative, and distant Papacy.

I agree with putting an end to the "rock star" papacies of the V2 papal claimants, but I should think SOMEthing would have to be done to clean up the mess left by Vatican II and the NOM, the dubious Sacraments all over the place, etc. I believe that things are so far gone that upwards of 80% of Novus Ordo pew-sitters would revolt and follow their Modernist bishops into schism. In that case, it's better that they're gone so that the process of cleansing the Church could begin.

Matto · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2021, 11:51:53 AM »

Quote from: ByzCat3000 on March 16, 2021, 09:42:53 AM

We don't *know*, but there isn't any evidence that I'm aware of that he believed it. He doesn't say he believed it in HG.

Perhaps this is imprudent, but I don't see anything here that would suggest that he believed it.

It is not in that docuмent. I don't know the exact belief he held because I have never read where he explained it in every detail. But he gave a speech to the pontifical academy of the sciences where he went on and on about the universe and the earth being billions of years old and how the big bang was like some sort of sign of God's glory. He did not go into detail on what else he exactly believed but he clearly did not believe the earth was a few thousand years old and that it was created in six days and God rested on the seventh. So the most likely thing in my mind was that he believed in theistic evolution, though it is possible that he believed in some hybrid theory.

http://inters.org/pius-xii-speech-1952-proofs-god

This might be the speech, but I did not just now read it in full. I previously read it on another website.

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