I believe the Catholic Church Wins:

   

Thus the Fathers of the Fourth Lateran Council and all the other churchmen who have drawn up authoritative statements of the Church's teaching on the necessity of the Church for the attainment of eternal salvation were well aware of what St. Augustine had taught about men who suffered martyrdom for the sake of Christ before having had the opportunity to receive the sacrament of baptism. In his De civitate Dei, St. Augustine taught that "whosoever dies for Christ, not having received the laver of regeneration, has this avail him for the forgiveness of sins as much as if these sins had been forgiven in the sacred font of baptism." [De civitate Dei, XIII, 7. MPL, XLI, 381.] Since the forgiveness of mortal or original sin is accomplished only in the infusion of the life of sanctifying grace, the person whose sins are forgiven is in the state of grace. If such a person dies in the state of grace, he will inevitably attain to the Beatific Vision. He will be saved, as having died "within" and not "outside" the true Church. (The Catholic Church and Salvation, by Fenton)

   THE FOURTH OEcuмENICAL COUNCIL OF THE LATERAN

               

"There is, then, one universal Church of the faithful (una . . . fidelium universalis ecclesia), outside of which no one at all is saved (extra quam nullus omnino salvatur)." [Denz., 430.]

        In the Firmiter, the first chapter of the doctrinal declarations of the Fourth Lateran Council, we find the following declaration: "There is, then, one universal Church of the faithful (una . . . fidelium universalis ecclesia), outside of which no one at all is saved (extra quam nullus omnino salvatur)." [Denz., 430.]

        This formula bears a singular resemblance to one contained in the profession of faith prescribed by Pope Innocent III in 1208 for the Waldensians who wished to return to the Catholic Church: "We believe in our hearts and we profess orally that there is one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic [Church], outside of which we believe that no one will be saved." [Denz., 423.]

        Each of these docuмents presents three distinct statements as truths actually revealed by God, and consequently as doctrines which men are obliged to accept with the assent of divine faith itself. By immediate and necessary implication, they condemn as heretical the teachings contradictory to these three dogmas of the Catholic faith. They assert that:

            1. It is a divinely revealed truth that there is only one true ecclesia or Church of God.

            2. It is divinely revealed truth that this one true ecclesia is the Roman Catholic Church, the social unit properly termed "the universal Church of the faithful."

            3. No one at all, according to God's Own revelation, can be saved if, at the moment of his death, he is "outside" this society.

        Thus, according to the infallibly true teaching of this section of the decrees of the Fourth Lateran Council, we may draw the following conclusions:

            1. At the moment of death a man must be in some way "within" the Catholic Church (either as a member or as one who desires and prays to enter it) if he is to attain to eternal salvation.

            2. There is absolutely no exception to this rule. Otherwise the statement that "no one at all (nullus omnino)" is saved outside of the one universal Church of the faithful would not be true. And that statement is true. It is an infallible dogmatic pronouncement of an Oecuмenical Council of the Catholic Church.

            3. Any attempt to explain the Church's necessity for salvation by claiming that it is only the "ordinary" means, or by imagining that it is requisite only for those who are aware of its dignity and position, is completely false and unacceptable.

Monsignor Fenton

THE BULL UNAM SANCTAM

       

We are bound by the obligation of faith to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church, and we firmly believe and sincerely profess this [Church] outside of which there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins (extra quam nec salus est, nec remissio peccatorum). Thus, the spouse in the Canticle proclaims: "One is my dove: my perfect one is but one. She is the only one of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her." This signifies (repraesentat) the one Mystical Body, of which Christ is the Head, and God [is the Head] of Christ. In this [dove and perfect one] there is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." Certainly there was one ark of Noe at the time of the deluge, and it prefigured the one Church. The ark, which was finished in one cubit, has one ruler and commander, namely Noe. We read that all things that subsisted on the earth and which were outside of the ark were destroyed. And we venerate this [Church] as the only one, since the Lord says in the Prophet: "Deliver, O God, my soul from the sword: my only one from the hand of the dog." The Lord prayed for the Soul - that is, for Himself the Head - and at the same time for the body. He called the only Church a body because of the unity of faith, the unity of the sacraments, and the unity of charity of the Church, the Spouse. This [Church] is the Lord's seamless robe which was not cut, but for which lots were cast. Therefore there is one body, one Head, of the only Church, not two heads like a monster; Christ and Peter, the Vicar of Christ, and Peter's successor, since the Lord said to Peter himself: "Feed My sheep." He says "My" [sheep] universally, and not "these" or "those" in particular, and thus it is understood that He entrusted all [His sheep] to Him. If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they have not been entrusted to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily admit that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says, in John, that there is one fold and one shepherd. [Denz., 468.]

        1. The Church is necessary, not only for the attainment of salvation itself, but for the forgiveness of sins, which is inseparable from the granting of the supernatural life of sanctifying grace.

        2. The Church is necessary for the attainment of salvation and of the life of grace precisely because it is the Body and the Spouse of Jesus Christ.

        3. Attainment of salvation in the Church involves union with the Bishop of Rome.

        4. The dogma of the Church's necessity for the attainment of eternal salvation cannot be explained accurately in terms of any "invisible Church."

Monsignor Fenton

THE DECREE FOR THE JACOBITES

   

It [the sacrosanct Roman Church, established by the voice of Our Lord and Saviour] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that none of those who do not exist within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but Jews, heretics, and schismatics, can become partakers of eternal life; but that they are going into the everlasting fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they become associated with it (nisi . . . eidem fuerint agregati) before they die. And [it firmly believes, professes, and teaches] that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such value that the Church's sacraments are profitable unto salvation, and that fastings, almsgivings, and the other duties of piety and exercises of the Christian militancy, bring forth eternal rewards only for those who remain within it [the unity of the ecclesiastical body]: and that, however great his almsgiving may be, and even though he might shed his blood for the name of Christ, no one can be saved unless he remains within the embrace and the unity of the Catholic Church. [Denz., 714.]

    1. All of those outside the Church, even individuals who have committed no sin against the faith itself, are in a position in which they cannot be saved unless they in some way enter or join the Church before they die.

    2. The alternative to eternal and supernatural salvation is deprivation of the Beatific Vision. In the case of those who are guilty of mortal sin which remains unrepented, this includes both the penalty of loss and the penalty of sense in hell.

    3. The spiritual condition of one who is not "within" the Church at least by an act of implicit desire is incompatible with the reception of the life of sanctifying grace.

Monsignor Fenton

It is interesting how "implicit faith" BoDers assert that Feeneyites are outside the Church, while they maintain that Jews, Muslims, idol worshippers etc. can be in the Church through "implicit  desire" if they are "invincibly ignorant" or believe in Rewarder God.

The Feenyites have demonstrated, generally speaking, that they do not wish to seek the Truth. They argue for the sake of pride, such as do the protestant heretics. Very few conversions have occurred among those who argue do to pride. We can only pray that God will humble them.

God will humble them.  Hopefully not when it is too late.

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It is interesting how "implicit faith" BoDers assert that Feeneyites are outside the Church, while they maintain that Jews, Muslims, idol worshippers etc. can be in the Church through "implicit  desire" if they are "invincibly ignorant" or believe in Rewarder God.

Implicit Faith does not save anyone.  I have not taught that anywhere.  Get your facts straight.

I wrote implicit faith or believe in Rewarder God - you certainly promote the latter one, arguing that belief in Jesus Christ and the Most Holy Trinity might not be necessary for Supernatural Faith, which is heretical. Not to mention that Suprema Haec Sacra which you keep promoting explicitly teaches that "implicit desire" is acceptable in the eyes of God and it must not be explicit if the person is invincibly ignorant.

If you don't mean "implicit faith" don't make the claim.  For the record I have never claimed the "rewarder God" issue has been settled authoritatively either.

But again, if you don't mean "implicit faith" don't claim we believe such a heresy. Salvation, as I have said many times before here, is impossible without a supernatural Faith.  

EVERYONE here uses the term "implicit faith" in reference to Rewader God theory, LoT.  You've been hanging around here in the EENS forum on CI long enough to know this.  You redefine the term (into something you yourself admit is ridiculous and not legitimate) and then slink away from the main charge.