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Lover of Truth · « **Reply #15 on:** July 07, 2016, 11:05:41 AM »

Incorrect. There is no such thing as implicit Faith. Show me where such a phrase is used in any infallible, authoritative docuмent. Or any theology manual. Or any Catechism. It is a made up term. The only possible phrase would be along the lines as an implicit desire for Faith. An implicit desire for Faith does not save anyone. There are no exceptions to this fact. Supernatural Faith is necessary with an intrinsic/absolute necessity of means for salvation to be even possible.

Arvinger · « **Reply #16 on:** July 07, 2016, 11:11:39 AM »

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Supernatural Faith is necessary with an intrinsic/absolute necessity of means for salvation to be even possible.

Yes, but according to you Supernatural Faith does not necessarily include faith in Jesus Christ and the Most Holy Trinity - that is heresy.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #17 on:** July 07, 2016, 11:22:05 AM »

When addressing the issue of Baptism of Desire Saint Thomas Aquinas says:

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In like manner a man receives the effect of Baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost, not only without Baptism of Water, but also without Baptism of Blood: forasmuch as his heart is moved by the Holy Ghost to believe in and love God and to repent of his sins: wherefore this is also called Baptism of Repentance.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2016, 08:47:04 PM »

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I don't read all your nonsense I merely post the truth. Show me in some official teaching where the term "implicit faith" is used in any sense whatsoever. Go away and keep looking and don't come back until you find it.

You are either a pathological liar or else schizophrenic. Cut to the chase:

It is really very simple, all that a BODer like LOT has to say is that they believe in explicit baptism of desire as taught by St. Thomas, and they reject the teaching that a non-believer in Jesus Christ, the Incarnation, and the Holy Trinity can be saved.

It is as simple as that. Yet, you will never answer that.

He will never answer. I don't see why anyone wastes time with LOT. He is a merry-go-round, always going in circles and coming back to where it all started.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #19 on:** July 11, 2016, 02:17:44 PM »

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I don't read all your nonsense I merely post the truth. Show me in some official teaching where the term "implicit faith" is used in any sense whatsoever. Go away and keep looking and don't come back until you find it.

You are either a pathological liar or else schizophrenic. Cut to the chase:

It is really very simple, all that a BODer like LOT has to say is that they believe in explicit baptism of desire as taught by St. Thomas, and they reject the teaching that a non-believer in Jesus Christ, the Incarnation, and the Holy Trinity can be saved.

It is as simple as that. Yet, you will never answer that.

He will never answer. I don't see why anyone wastes time with LOT. He is a merry-go-round, always going in circles and coming back to where it all started.

You can get banned for posting the same thing on this forum with 24 hours as bowler did.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #20 on:** July 11, 2016, 02:54:06 PM »

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Incorrect. There is no such thing as implicit Faith. Show me where such a phrase is used in any infallible, authoritative docuмent. Or any theology manual. Or any Catechism. It is a made up term. The only possible phrase would be along the lines as an implicit desire for Faith. An implicit desire for Faith does not save anyone. There are no exceptions to this fact. Supernatural Faith is necessary with an intrinsic/absolute necessity of means for salvation to be even possible.

If the term doesn't exist, then how can you say that you don't believe in it? I asked you what you meant by it and then you gave it some ridiculous definition, and now you say it doesn't exist. So which is it?

I then went on to explain that people here on CI simply use it as shorthand for Rewarder God theory. Now if you can't move past this, just get off the thread. We're tired of wasting time due to your lack of comprehension skills.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2016, 08:13:44 AM »

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When addressing the issue of Baptism of Desire Saint Thomas Aquinas says:
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In like manner a man receives the effect of Baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost, not only without Baptism of Water, but also without Baptism of Blood: forasmuch as his heart is moved by the Holy Ghost to believe in and love God and to repent of his sins: wherefore this is also called Baptism of Repentance.

Who disagrees with this teaching of Saint Thomas. Would he fail to understand the great mind of Ladislaus were he here today?