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Author Topic: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"  (Read 4207 times)

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Re: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2020, 03:19:48 PM »
God is not the Almighty Terrorizer, and personally, I believe that to seriously consider such a hypothetical situation as a real life example is insulting to God, Who promised that whatever we desire, "whatever we ask necessary to salvation with humility, fervour, perseverance, and other due circuмstances, we may be assured God will grant when it is best for us. If we do not obtain what we pray for, we must suppose it is not conducive to our salvation, in comparison of which all else is of little moment". -Haydock, re: Mat. 7:8

Always remember and understand, that Almighty God provided you with the time to do it, and the water for doing it, and the minister for doing it. Always remember that if God arranged for you to be baptized, it is by the very same Providence He can arrange for anyone else who desires or is willing to receive it and that a BOD denies this truth.

If the child were to be struck by lightning and if you have faith, then you would know with absolute certainty that it would be  on his way home, after being baptized - that is the only way it works with God, always.
 
Its ridiculous, I agree, but its used as a hypothetical to make a point.  

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Re: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2020, 04:33:00 PM »
Its ridiculous, I agree, but its used as a hypothetical to make a point.  
The thing is, I remember your hypothetical situation being asked since I was a child. The answer given was always the same, namely, if that person died on his way to be baptized, it was most likely  because that person was insincere in their desire to be baptized and God knew it. By taking him early, the ever merciful God saved that person additional suffering.

As a trad child, that was the standard answer from relatives, priests and nuns who were still trads. How did that clear answer full of simple reasoning and faith, ever get flipped over to a BOD?


Re: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2020, 05:09:45 PM »
The thing is, I remember your hypothetical situation being asked since I was a child. The answer given was always the same, namely, if that person died on his way to be baptized, it was most likely  because that person was insincere in their desire to be baptized and God knew it. By taking him early, the ever merciful God saved that person additional suffering.

As a trad child, that was the standard answer from relatives, priests and nuns who were still trads. How did that clear answer full of simple reasoning and faith, ever get flipped over to a BOD?
I'm not following.  How is keeping him from baptism saving him from additional suffering?

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Re: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2020, 05:13:33 PM »
I'm not following.  How is keeping him from baptism saving him from additional suffering?

The damned who have the character of Baptism, AKA the seal, suffer greater punishments.

Re: How to Cut to the Chase with "BODers"
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2020, 05:17:25 PM »
The damned who have the character of Baptism, AKA the seal, suffer greater punishments.
I did not know this.  I just figured both go to Hell, so both suffer.  Can you provide Church teaching on this?