This is his comment on Singulari Quidem:

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Heretical and schismatics sects are not a means of salvation, and those who adhere to them have no hope of heaven, unless they are excused from fault because of invincible ignorance.

Sanborn's quotes on invincible ignorance are all over the place in that docuмent.

One cannot be unconscious of mortal sin.  People who rob banks know what they are doing is wrong; if they didn't, why do they run away?

Does a Protestant who is baptized in his/her infancy know that the Catholic Church is the One True Church, and if so, at what age does this occur?  Seven?  Fourteen?  What if the Protestant is mentally retarded?

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Again, he says nobody can hope for life or salvation outside the Church, UNLESS you are EXCUSED through ignorance beyond your control.

So plainly it says that you have some shot at being saved outside the Church if you are excused through ignorance beyond your control.

No, it does not say that, because Pope Pius IX, in the very same letter, stated:

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. You see, dearly beloved sons and venerable brothers, how much vigilance is needed to keep the disease of this terrible evil from infecting and killing your flocks. Do not cease to diligently defend your people against these pernicious errors. Saturate them with the doctrine of Catholic truth more accurately each day. Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church.[4] Thus, there can be no greater crime, no more hideous stain than to stand up against Christ, than to divide the Church engendered and purchased by His blood, than to forget evangelical love and to combat with the furor of hostile discord the harmony of the people of God.[5] (Singulari Quidem, 4)

So, unless you are going to say that Pope Pius IX contradicted himself, anyone outside the Catholic Church who is "hoping" for eternal life must still end his/her life "in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."  That is what Pope Pius IX is saying!

That's what you would have to say, that he contradicted himself.

One the one hand, he says there is absolutely no salvation if you're outside the Church, none, zip, but on the other hand, if you're in invincible ignorance, you have a shot.

It's a clear contradiction just like saying "the Sacrament of Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation" and then in the next sentence saying "baptism of desire or blood is a substitute".

The two of them can't be true at the same time: either it is ABSOLUTELY necessary to be baptized and a Catholic, or it is NOT.

One the one hand, he says there is absolutely no salvation if you're outside the Church, none, zip, but on the other hand, if you're in invincible ignorance, you have a shot.

Those who were "invincibly ignorant" would still have to end their lives "in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."  As with a mentally retarded Protestant who was baptized in his/her infancy, they would simply be excused from their ignorance of the One True Faith.  On the other hand, perhaps their ignorance of the Catholic Faith would only rise to the level of being a venial sin and not a mortal one, so they would, when they died, go to Purgatory as opposed to eternal Hell.

Well that's my problem: how will i tell anyone that you NEED to be Catholic and have the true Faith when a Pope says there are exceptions?

There are no exceptions.  Pope Pius IX states this clearly.

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One the one hand, he says there is absolutely no salvation if you're outside the Church, none, zip, but on the other hand, if you're in invincible ignorance, you have a shot.

Those who were "invincibly ignorant" would still have to end their lives "in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."  As with a mentally retarded Protestant who was baptized in his/her infancy, they would simply be excused from their ignorance of the One True Faith.  On the other hand, perhaps their ignorance of the Catholic Faith would only rise to the level of being a venial sin and not a mortal one, so they would, when they died, go to Purgatory as opposed to eternal Hell.

Yes i agree with all this but the point is that Pius IX seemed to say some people are excused and get a pass.

How about this - one who is outside the Church through ignorance beyond his control will be brought into the Church in an extraordinary way. God will only lift the veil if one's heart is not darkened by wilful ignorance.

Sure, why not?!

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You could read Quanto Conficiamur Moerore in that way, but i dont see how the same can be said about Singulari Quidem.

Read your OP:

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Singulari Quidem: Outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control.

A Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, and even, an atheist, can all hope that they will go to Heaven; such does not mean that they will go to Heaven.  I can hope that I will win the Lottery just by playing, but that does not necessarily mean that my "hope" will result in bags of money!

Again, he says nobody can hope for life or salvation outside the Church, UNLESS you are EXCUSED through ignorance beyond your control.

So plainly it says that you have some shot at being saved outside the Church if you are excused through ignorance beyond your control.

How about this - one who is outside the Church through ignorance beyond his control will be brought into the Church in an extraordinary way. God will only lift the veil if one's heart is not darkened by wilful ignorance.

If that's what he would have said in the Encyclical, it would have been fine, but that's not what hes said, and that's the problem.

Is the original available anywhere? Was it in latin or in another language?

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SJB's answer is the answer I would give, so I'm stumped as to why SJB would answer as I would. Did I miss something during my absence from CI?

You must have been missing the same thing when you were here.

Games, games, what a waste of time it is to talk to you.