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"In the second section of the dogmatic, the Mystici Corporis speaks of the two types of bonds or communications by which men are joined to Christ within the Church. Those men who are united to our Lord by professing His faith, being subject to the legitimate spiritual rulers He has set over His sheepfold, and partaking in the Eucharistic worship which He instituted, are said to be joined in bodily and visible communication with Christ. The second type of communication is spiritual and invisible. It consists in the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity. Our union with Christ is perfected by God the Holy Ghost dwelling within us. It is expressed in the Eucharistic sacrifice, which is pre-eminently the Act of the Mystical Body.

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  The thing is as I see it,if there is this good willed person, who wants to be catholic, wants to be baptised, wouldn't God in His merciful way allow this person to be baptised before his death?

can you explain in more detail your following quotes

"Non-members of the Roman Catholic Church can be joined to God through the Roman Catholic Church without realizing it."

how can this happen, what is the  thought process of the jew who can be joined to God through the Church without realizing it? I have a hard time understanding what you are precisely talking about



"noting that they become actual members at the moment of death."

again,pls explain this to me, what happened to this person before dying, did he make a profession of gfaith? was he baptised?

"and that non-members of that Church can be saved"

pls explain, I thought your position was non members become members at death.or without realizing it.yet still become members......now are you saying non members who stay as non members and die as nonmembers can be saved??

God's permissive will allows for a person to die before he becomes an actual member.  Even though that is opposed to His actual will.  God does not force anything.

A non-member who dies within the Church becomes a member of the Church Suffering or the Church Triumphant at death.  

A non-member can not be "joined to" "within" or "attached" to the Church unless he has a supernatural faith and perfect charity and dies in a state of sanctifying grace, if he dies in this state he is baptized with the baptism of the Holy Ghost otherwise known as the baptism of "desire" and becomes a full fledged member of the Catholic Church Suffering or Triumphant.  

I understand a catechumen who's studying to be a catholic, rejects his Jєωιѕн religion for example...dies before baptism...this would be a case for baptism of desire...I get that, I might not agree with it but I understand someone holding that view...what I fail to comprehend is how that belief leads to this quote which I assume you agree with?

Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

 
Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”
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"In the second section of the dogmatic, the Mystici Corporis speaks of the two types of bonds or communications by which men are joined to Christ within the Church. Those men who are united to our Lord by professing His faith, being subject to the legitimate spiritual rulers He has set over His sheepfold, and partaking in the Eucharistic worship which He instituted, are said to be joined in bodily and visible communication with Christ. The second type of communication is spiritual and invisible. It consists in the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity. Our union with Christ is perfected by God the Holy Ghost dwelling within us. It is expressed in the Eucharistic sacrifice, which is pre-eminently the Act of the Mystical Body.

 Fenton

Is the above correct?

You keep asking Fenton if the above is correct - but I think you have the wrong forum - there's no Fenton on CI.

Bad joke, I know