Solid reasoning from you too, DZ. Solid form from both of you.
I looked at the Scriptural index in my Denzingers: no citation of 2 Maccabees. Not conclusive, but relevant I think.
Since I believe that the game changed with the New Law and the promulgation of the Gospel, I agree with you, DZ, that the use of 2 Maccabees for purgatory loses its force. It's simply evidence they went somewhere.
This thread is a good example of how we can have genuine discussion of substance.
You as well, but to be fair to M, I'm not saying that exegetes haven't used that, just perhaps not quite how things are seemingly presented here. Also to be fair, even the "Holy Grail" of an always on point academic forum doesn't always lend itself to these things very well. That's one reason why I try to take things in the smallest possible portions, and no more at a time.
Otherwise, and I"m sure you see it here all the time, it's a goat rodeo. Maccabees, of course, tells us something, just like many things, it may not tell us what we think, what we want, or even if it does, perhaps not in the manner that we might think or like.
Either way, and I'm hardly Mr. Spock with Logic, but then again neither was Mr. Spock, S. Dismas, the holy innocents aren't necessarily pro or
con. I think Mith is wrong on that point.
They aren't equivalent even granting what he says of 2 Macc.