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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: His Eminence Cardinal John De Lugo De Virtue Fidei Divinae, 1646
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2020, 12:17:20 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 08, 2020, 12:11:10 PM
No, it was the COUNCIL OF FLORENCE that declare de Lugo ... and you ... to be heretics.  It is you who need to be burned at the stake.
Really?
An eminent cardinal condemned by the Council, but never sanctioned, mentioned, and his book continuing to be published with full approbation.
Hmm...funny that Rome couldn’t figure out (for centuries!!) that it had condemned one if its greatest theologians unwittingly!
Why, it wasn’t until 2020 tgat Ladislaus arose on the scene to point out what 50+ popes and saints had missed!
de Lugo was a heretic!  LMAO!!
:laugh1: :laugh2:
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: His Eminence Cardinal John De Lugo De Virtue Fidei Divinae, 1646
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2020, 12:18:29 PM »
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Controversiis, “De Baptismo,” Lib. I, Cap. VI: “But without doubt it must be believed that true conversion supplies for Baptism of water when one dies without Baptism of water not out of contempt but out of necessity... For it is expressly said in Ezechiel: If the wicked shall do penance from his sins, I will no more remember his iniquities...Thus also the Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, says that Baptism is necessary in fact or in desire (in re vel in voto)”.

Our Lord Jesus Christ, Prince of Theologians, to St. Catherine of Sienna: I wished thee to see the secret of the Heart, showing it to thee open, so that you mightest see how much more I loved than I could show thee by finite pain. I poured from it Blood and Water, to show thee the baptism of water which is received in virtue of the Blood. I also showed the baptism of love in two ways, first in those who are baptized in their blood shed for Me which has virtue through My Blood, even if they have not been able to have Holy Baptism, and also those who are baptized in fire, not being able to have Holy Baptism, but desiring it with the affection of love. There is no baptism of desire without the Blood, because Blood is steeped in and kneaded with the fire of Divine charity, because through love was it shed.

There is yet another way by which the soul receives the baptism of Blood, speaking, as it were, under a figure, and this way the Divine charity provided, knowing the infirmity and fragility of an, through which he offends, not that he is obliged, through his fragility and infirmity, to commit sin, unless he wish to do so; by falling, as he will, into the guild of mortal sin, by which he loses the grace which he drew from Holy Baptism in virtue of the Blood, it was necessary to leave a continual baptism of blood. 

This the Divine charity provided in the Sacrament of Holy Confession, the soul receiving the Baptism of blood, with contrition of heart, confessing, when able, to My ministers, who hold the keys of the Blood, sprinkling It, in absolution, upon the face of the soul. But if the soul is unable to confess, contrition of heart is sufficient for this baptism, the hand of My clemency giving you the fruit of this precious Blood... Thou seest then that these Baptisms, which you should all receive until the last moment, are continual, and though My works, that is the pains of the Cross were finite, the fruit of them which you receive in Baptism, through Me, are infinite..."
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: His Eminence Cardinal John De Lugo De Virtue Fidei Divinae, 1646
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2020, 12:22:26 PM »
Quote from: XavierSem on February 08, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Controversiis, “De Baptismo,” Lib. I, Cap. VI: “But without doubt it must be believed that true conversion supplies for Baptism of water when one dies without Baptism of water not out of contempt but out of necessity... For it is expressly said in Ezechiel: If the wicked shall do penance from his sins, I will no more remember his iniquities...Thus also the Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 4, says that Baptism is necessary in fact or in desire (in re vel in voto)”.

As the bad-willed heretic that you are, you love shifting between BoD for the catechumen and then the heretical position that infidels can be saved.  Like the devil, you speak with a forked tongue and out of both sides of your mouth.

You claim that you support the one, get outraged at being of accused of supporting the other, and then proceed to post quotes in favor of the other, the one you just claimed to have rejected.  Then you make arguments from the OT just which would in fact undermine you claimed position of being in favor of explicit faith.

Since you like to pretend that you know something about scholastic logic.

St. Alphonsus clearly stated that all the Scriptures and the Church Fathers state that explicit faith in Our Lord and the Holy Trinity are necessary for justification.  By holding the explicit faith position, you are rejecting as invalid the "necessity of precept" argument.  But if this argument is invalid, the conclusion is that the implicit faith position is an objectively heretical rejection of all the Scriptures and Church Fathers.
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: His Eminence Cardinal John De Lugo De Virtue Fidei Divinae, 1646
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2020, 12:28:50 PM »
·     St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church (18th century): Moral Theology, Book 6, Section II (About Baptism and Confirmation), Chapter 1 (On Baptism), page 310, no. 96: "Baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called "of wind" ["flaminis"] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind ["flamen"]. Now it is "de fide" that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, "de presbytero non baptizato" and of the Council of Trent, session 6, Chapter 4 where it is said that no one can be saved 'without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it.'" (Note: Unbelievers can see the original book in Latin here. Turn to page 310 in the book (or page 157 of the PDF file).

Moral Theology, Bk. 6, nn. 95-97: "Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood, i.e. death, suffered for the faith or for some other Christian virtue. Now this Baptism is comparable to true baptism because, like true Baptism, it remits both guilt and punishment as it were ex opere operato… Hence martyrdom avails also for infants seeing that the Church venerates the Holy Innocents as true martyrs. That is why Suarez rightly teaches that the opposing view is at least temerarious."

Notice the heretic does not know that Perfect Contrition universally availed the remission of sins in the Old Testament, nor understands the passage in Ezekiel. Neither is the heretic able to answer Pope St. Pius X, or St. Alphonsus, who will both rise up at the Judgment to condemn him. The obstinate, stubborn, blind, bad-willed heretic who resists the Teaching Authority of the Church he has come to hate, and is far outside Her, also has no explanation at all for why the Church taught, with Pope Leo XIII's approval, "We know that baptism of desire or of blood will save us when it is impossible to receive the baptism of water, from Holy Scripture, which teaches that love of God and perfect contrition can secure the remission of sins ; and also that Our Lord promises salvation to those who lay down their life for His sake or for His teaching."

The malicious demon who hates souls and wants them to be damned with him, rather than loving other souls and wanting them to be saved with us, as all true Christians do, has been told many times King David, St. Peter, St. Mary Magdalene etc received forgiveness of sins through perfect love of God or contrition. The blasphemer doesn't know this because he is ignorant, and culpably and vincibly so. His ignorance is crass and supine, and culpably such.
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: His Eminence Cardinal John De Lugo De Virtue Fidei Divinae, 1646
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2020, 12:30:38 PM »
The heretic also doesn't understand what the Council of Orange said the Catholic Faith teaches us as something to evidently believe, namely that many people, including Cornelius, were already in the state of Grace, since they had not a natural gift, but a supernatural endowment of God's Grace before Baptism, i.e. supernatural faith and supernatural charity, which the blundering buffoon who would like to close Heaven to everybody but himself, and therefore closes it to nobody but himself, is not even remotely aware of: "We must therefore most evidently believe that the praiseworthy faith of the thief whom the Lord called to his home in paradise, and of Cornelius the centurion, to whom the angel of the Lord was sent, and of Zacchaeus, who was worthy to receive the Lord himself, was not a natural endowment but a gift of God's kindness."
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