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For certain (invincibly?) ignorant persons here:

De virtute fidei divinae, 1646 (C2-D1)Title: De virtuto fidei divinæ Author: His Eminence Cardinal John de Lugo. Pub.: Lyons, 1646

“Those who do not believe with the Catholic Church can be divided into several categories. There are some who, while they do not believe all the dogmas of the Catholic religion, do acknowledge the one true God; such are the Turks and all Moslems, as well as the Jews. Others acknowledge the triune God and Christ, as most heretics do… Now if these people are excused from the sin of infidelity by reason of invincible ignorance, they can be saved. For those who are in invincible ignorance about some articles of faith but believe others, are not formally heretics, but they have supernatural faith, by which they believe true articles, and on this basis there can follow acts of perfect contrition, by which they can be justified and saved. The same must be said about the Jews, if there are any who are invincibly mistaken about the Christian religion; for they can still have a true supernatural faith in God, and about other articles, based on Sacred Scripture, which they accept, and so, with this faith, they can have contrition, by which they can be justified and saved, provided that explicit faith in Christ is not required with a necessity of means, as will be explained later on. Finally, if any Turks and Moslems were invincibly in error about Christ and his divinity, there is no reason why they could not have a true supernatural faith about God as the supernatural rewarder, since their

15 The Salvation of the Unbeliever, by Riccardo Lombardi, S.J. Translation from the Italian original La Salvezza di chi non ha fede (Edizione “La Civilta Cattolica”, Rome) by Dorothy M. White. Nihil Obstat: Daniel Dvivesteijn, S.T.D., Censor Depvtatvs. Imprimatur: E. Morrogh Bernard, Vicarivs Generalis, Westmonasterii, die XIX Decembris MCMLV. The Newman Press. First published 1956 in Great Britain. Disputatio. 20, sect. 23, n. 122.
16 SOC, Chap. 7, p. 110.
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belief about God is not based on arguments drawn from natural creation, but they have this belief from tradition, and this tradition derives from the church of the faithful, and has come down to them, even though it is mixed up with errors in their sect. Since they have relatively sufficient motives for belief with regard to the true doctrines, one does not see why they could not have a supernatural faith about them, provided that in other respects they are not guilty of sinning against the faith. Consequently, with the faith that they have, they can arrive at an act of perfect contrition.”17

“…One should note, with Suarez, that there is a certain intermediate state of those people to whom the faith has not been proposed sufficiently so that they are obliged to embrace it, but who have heard enough about it to be obliged to inquire further and to examine the motives for belief in the teaching of the faith. Thus, while a first preaching of the faith might not suffice to impose a proximate obligation of believing, it could suffice for a remote obligation. People in this situation, of whom there are a great many nowadays, among the heretics, the pagans, and especially among the Turks and other Moslems, if they do not exercise the required diligence [in inquiring further], will no longer have an ignorance that is invincible and inculpable. However, if they do exercise the required diligence, but still are not able to find sufficient knowledge for a prudent decision to embrace the Christian faith, their ignorance will still remain invincible."

Second Council of Orange, 529 A.D.: "According to the Catholic Faith we also believe that after grace has been received through baptism, all baptized persons have the ability and responsibility, if they desire to labor faithfully, to perform with the aid and cooperation of Christ what is of essential importance in regard to the salvation of their soul. We not only do not believe that any are foreordained to evil by the power of God, but even state with utter abhorrence that if there are those who want to believe so evil a thing, they are anathema. We also believe and confess to our benefit that in every good work it is not we who take the initiative and are then assisted through the mercy of God, but God himself first inspires in us both faith in him and love for him without any previous good works of our own that deserve reward, so that we may both faithfully seek the sacrament of baptism, and after baptism be able by his help to do what is pleasing to him. We must therefore most evidently believe that the praiseworthy faith of the thief whom the Lord called to his home in paradise, and of Cornelius the centurion, to whom the angel of the Lord was sent, and ofZacchaeus, who was worthy to receive the Lord himself, was not a natural endowment but a gift of God's kindness."

De virtute fidei divinae, 1646 (C2-D1)Title: De virtuto fidei divinæ Author: His Eminence Cardinal John de Lugo. Pub.: Lyons, 1646

“Those who do not believe with the Catholic Church can be divided into several categories. There are some who, while they do not believe all the dogmas of the Catholic religion, do acknowledge the one true God; such are the Turks and all Moslems, as well as the Jews. Others acknowledge the triune God and Christ, as most heretics do…

A serious refutation of modern heretics who, like Old Catholics, claim the Magisterium is heretical, isn't it Praeter? It is when someone claims the Magisterium itself that condemns them is heretical, and when he refuses correction from the Authorities of the Church, that he is to be considered a heretic, and falls outside the Body of the Church.

Pope Pius IX's refutation of ecclesia-vacantist Dimondites applies in every measure to all those who follow them or Ibranyi, in wickedly assailing the Roman Catholic Church with false and temerarious accusations.

"They obstinately reject and oppose the infallible magisterium both of the Roman Pontiff and of the whole Church in teaching matters. Incredibly, they boldly affirm that the Roman Pontiff and all the bishops, the priests and the people conjoined with him in the unity of faith and communion fell into heresy when they approved and professed the definitions of the Ecuмenical Vatican Council. Therefore they deny also the indefectibility of the Church and blasphemously declare that it has perished throughout the world and that its visible Head and the bishops have erred. They assert the necessity of restoring a legitimate episcopacy in the person of their pseudo-bishop, who has entered not by the gate but from elsewhere like a thief or robber and calls the damnation of Christ upon his head.

23. These unhappy men undermine the foundations of religion, overturn all its marks and properties, and invent so many foul errors, or rather, draw forth from the ancient store of heretics and gather them together and publish them. Yet they do not blush to call themselves Catholics and Old Catholics, while in their doctrine, novelty, and number they show themselves in no way to be either old or Catholic. Certainly the Church rises up with greater right against them than it once did through Augustine against the Donatists.

Diffused among all people, the Church was built by Christ the Son of the living God upon the rock, against which the gates of Hell will not prevail, and with which He Himself, to Whom all power in heaven and on earth is given, said He would be with until the consummation of the world. “The Church cries to Her Spouse: Why do certain men withdrawing from me murmur against me? Why do these lost men claim that I have perished? Announce to me the length of my days, how long I will be in this world? Tell me on account of those who say: it was and is no longer; on account of those who say: the scriptures have been fulfilled, all nations have believed, but the Church has apostatized and perished from all nations. And He announced and the voice was not vain.

What did He announce? ‘Behold I am with you all days even to the consummation of the world.’ Moved by your voices and your false opinions, She asked of God that He announce to Her the length of Her days and She found that God said ‘Behold I am with you all days even to the consummation of the world.’ Here you will say: He spoke about us; we are as we will be until the end of the world. Christ Himself is asked; He says ‘and this gospel will be preached in the whole world, in testimony to all nations, and then will come the end.’ Therefore the Church will be among all nations until the end of the world. Let heretics perish as they are, and let them find that they become what they are not.”[8] https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9etsimu.htm

Thank you for the quote from de Lugo!!

It EXACTLY expresses my belief on invincible ignorance (and therefore implicit baptism of desire), and so far as I can tell, the Church’s teaching on same.

You're welcome. All who love God truly will really only rejoice when others Love God above all things. Everyone should be taught to be less attached and detached from material things and to begin to love God above all things. It is the first and greatest commandment, and it is not easy. But those who do it will be justified, united to the Soul of the Church, and on the way of salvation, as we are taught by His Holiness Pope St. Pius X. He who loves God seeks to do His will and keep His commandments. But as soon as An Act of Contrition is made, the person is justified. And he who is justified cannot remain outside the Church, but is within Her.