First off, we all cannot reply instantly ....we reply when we can so "recorded hesitation" means we're not always  available to return instant replies.

Second, accident does not mean death, look it up sometime.

Third, "grace and righteousness" is not salvation. Grace and righteousness can be (and quite often is) lost,  whereas salvation is forever.

Here is the excerpts from the Catechism of the Council of Trent more fully in context...

"On this class of persons, however, the Church does not confer this Sacrament hastily: she will have it deferred for a certain time; nor is the delay attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned: and should any unforeseen accident deprive adults of baptism, their intention of receiving it, and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness."

While speaking of adults & baptism, it mentions "the same danger" as in the case of infants, which means "death", and following that very thought the sentence continues, "and should any unforeseen accident deprive adults of baptism". This is speaking of death also, not solely because it directly follows the reference to baptism of infants, but also because it says "deprive". Elsewhere it speaks of "delay", but here is says "deprive adults of baptism". That means the adults never receives baptism. This is death.

My idea of what an "unforeseen accident" is:
1) Dropping dead instantly = no time to desire anything, no time to have repentance of past sins.
2) Dying in your sleep = no time to desire anything, no time to have repentance of past sins.
3) Crossing the street getting killed by a bus = no time to desire anything, no time to have repentance of past sins.

God's idea of what an unforeseen accident is:
1) There is no such thing.

Mat 24:42 Watch ye therefore, because ye know not what hour your Lord will come.  - We do not know, but God knows from all eternity when He will come for us.

24:43 But know this ye, that if the goodman of the house knew at what hour the thief would come, he would certainly watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open. [44] Wherefore be you also ready, because at what hour you know not the Son of man will come.

This is what the Church has always taught - we must be ready to die at any moment - if we are not ready, we get punished.

We are taught that like a thief in the night, Our Lord will come for us. IOW, when we least expect it. To believe in a desire for salvation is to be a fool IMO. I mean, even saints trembled! (see the last sentence below)

I have a suggestion. Memorize Dies Irae and after understanding this most awesome Lex orandi, see if your lex credendi regarding BOD changes.

We stand accused, guilty before Him.....
What horror must invade the mind
When the approaching Judge shall find
And sift the deeds of all mankind!

Now death and nature with suprise
Behold the trembling sinners rise
To meet the Judge's searching eyes.

For now before the Judge severe
All hidden things must plain appear;
No crime can pass unpunished here.

O what shall I, so guilty plead?
And who for me will intercede?
When even Saints shall comfort need?

If a person crashes in a plain, I would think they would be thinking about survival more than "dang! if I only I would have gotten baptized, I sure desire baptism now - oh yes, I must be repentant of all the sins of my past life or I will go to hell..........I , I mean because they offended God". That's just my opinion mind you as regards today's typical human being.

YOU avoid the REAL question, so now, I await YOUR answer............Here is the question:

IS THERE SUCH A THING AS AN UNFORESEEN ACCIDENT TO GOD?

If yes, please post it and your source.
If no, then please explain where God fits in, in this whole "unforeseen accident" mirage.

Stubborn, this question is not over with yet. By your most recent words here you have criticized the Catechism and have thus changed your answer from NO to a YES. Is that right? Or, do you still maintain the Catechism does not go contrary to the solemn teaching of the Council of Trent?

Your question was: Did the Catechism of the Council of Trent and St. Alphonsus teach in opposition to any solemn teaching of the Church previous to them?

I said no, I still say no - the catechism does not teach in opposition to any solemn Church teaching. "Grace and righteousness" is not salvation, justification is not salvation........remember that. The easiest way, IMO to remember that is to remember that grace, justification and righteousness can be lost. Salvation, once attained, cannot be lost.

There is no solemn Church teaching that rewards salvation to unbaptized via BOD. There is not even any solemn Church teaching on BOD.

Answer my question any time.

Here is the excerpts from the Catechism of the Council of Trent more fully in context...

"On this class of persons, however, the Church does not confer this Sacrament hastily: she will have it deferred for a certain time; nor is the delay attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned: and should any unforeseen accident deprive adults of baptism, their intention of receiving it, and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness."

What you *want* the catechism to say and what it actually does say are two different things.

Here is what *you* want it to say:
"On this class of persons, however, the Church does not confer this Sacrament hastily: she will have it deferred for a certain time; nor is the delay attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned: and should a sudden death deprive adults of baptism, their intention of receiving it, and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to eternal salvation."

Again, there is no solemn Church teaching on a "Baptism of Desire". I wish there were, but there isn't.

Quote from: Stubborn

What you *want* the catechism to say and what it actually does say are two different things.

Actually, you are plainly mutilating what it obviously says, as I said, like a Protestant. You criticized the "unforeseen accident", and now backpedal as if we never discussed it.

I gave you my opinion of what an "unforeseen accident" is - you gave me your opinion of what one is. What else is there to that?
Holy Mother the Church warns us that *we all* should expect to die unexpectedly - unless you're on death row, all deaths come unexpectedly or accidentally if you will -  that is why we all need to *remain in Sanctifying Grace* so that when we do die, we will be ready ----- She does not nor has She ever taught that one does not need to be prepared ahead of time - nor has She ever taught that for whoever is unprepared, their desire for preparation will reward them salvation.  

Where does the below teaching leave any wiggle room for those who died only wishing they were prepared?

Commentary from Haydock Bible for Mat 24:42

Watch ye, therefore. That men might not be attentive for a time only, but preserve a continual vigilance, the Almighty conceals from them the hour of their dissolution: they ought therefore to be ever expecting it, and ever watchful. But to the eternal infamy of Christians be it said, much more diligence is used by the worldly wise for the preservation of their wealth, than by the former for the salvation of their immortal souls. Though they are fully aware that the Lord will come, and like a thief in the night, when they least expect him, they do not persevere watching, nor guard against the irreparable misfortune of quitting the present life without previous preparation. Therefore will the day come to the destruction of such as are reposed in sleep. (St. Chrysostom, hom. lxxviii. on S. Matt.) --- Of what importance is it then that we should be found watching, and properly attentive to the one thing necessary, the salvation of our immortal souls. For what will it avail us, if we have gained the whole world, which we must then leave, and lose our immortal souls, which, owing to our supine neglect to these admonitions of Jesus Christ, must suffer in hell-flames for all eternity? (Haydock)

Nonno, I await YOUR answer............Here is the question:

IS THERE SUCH A THING AS AN UNFORESEEN ACCIDENT TO GOD?

If yes, please post it and your source.
If no, then please explain where God fits in, in this whole "unforeseen accident" mirage.

You just betrayed yourself, Stubborn. I know your answer (and mine) is NO. Which means that you believe an "unforeseen accident" is a mirage (a delusion). So, you are saying the Roman Catechism taught a delusion regarding baptism.

Nonno, I await YOUR answer............Here is the question:

IS THERE SUCH A THING AS AN UNFORESEEN ACCIDENT TO GOD?

If yes, please post it and your source.
If no, then please explain where God fits in, in this whole "unforeseen accident" mirage.