Author Topic: Great article on "Baptism of Desire." (Read 24190 times)

Exilenomore · « **Reply #15 on:** June 16, 2011, 02:40:17 PM »

Probably because they are the main proponents of the error which denies salvation through desire for baptism, when one dies before being able to receive the latter. If that error were true, then the fathers would not have let catechumens wait for baptism in order to instruct them in the faith first, especially when there was a great chance of being martyred in those times. They would have baptised them immediately, in the way it must be done to infants. It is common sense really.

s2srea · « **Reply #16 on:** June 16, 2011, 03:41:25 PM »

Do you think the Diamonds ever feel/ felt like they're in too deep with their ridiculous remarks that they couldn't (wouldn't) go back? I do...

Raoul76 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 16, 2011, 04:01:58 PM »

Absolutely, S2srea.

That is how the devil snares people. They haven't just posted their theories on a message board, they have turned it into a cottage industry -- their virtual identity. No anti-BoD, no Dimond Bros. Their livelihood is also based on what they're doing, selling books, probably asking for donations.

I say nothing about the Dimonds specifically, but not only will people sell their souls for power; they will sell their souls for imagined power, power they don't really even have, or for the chance at power. It can become an addiction to be talked about, to be noticed, even if you're being noticed for the wrong thing.

There is a reason certain saints would flee from the priesthood and would try to escape and go wash dishes or something. Look at how many priests went along with Vatican II, who didn't buck the tide at all. You have to be ready at all times to walk away and leave everything if your faith is compromised.

Some people are made famous by God; others make themselves famous. He knows who He is raising up. But sometimes to us it can be tricky to figure out who is a sham and who is truly called.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2011, 05:38:00 PM »

I wanted to know what people thought about the article, not about the dogmatic lame-os named the Dimond "brothers."

Here's from the article as far as the catechumens goes. Check it out:

What Saint Augustine expressed about baptism of desire in his treatise against the Donatists was not his conviction when he wrote his commentary on the Gospel of Saint John. Therein, he states that “no matter what progress a catechumen may make, he still carries the burden of iniquity, and it is not taken away until he has been baptized.” (Chapter 13, Tract 7) Again, Father van der Meer, in his book, Augustine the Bishop, cites a like passage from the doctor: “How many rascals are saved by being baptized on their deathbeds? And how many sincere catechumens die unbaptized and are lost forever” (Page 150). Note here that Augustine was not referring to hesitant catechumens who presumptuously put off their baptism, but to “sincere catechumens.”

Darcy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2011, 07:41:44 PM »

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“How many rascals are saved by being baptized on their deathbeds? And how many sincere catechumens die unbaptized and are lost forever”

What was the context in which St. Augustine wrote this sentence?
Is it from the Summa Theologica? If so it should be online somewhere.