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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Good Catholics Give Assent to Authoritative Docuмents
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2017, 08:06:07 AM »
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Good Catholics Give Assent to Authoritative Docuмents
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2017, 08:28:11 AM »
Council of Trent (16th century): Decree on Justification, Session VI, Chapter 4: "And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."

Session VII, Concerning the Sacraments in General, Canon 4 (Denz 847): "If anyone shall say that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary for salvation, but are superfluous, and that, although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them, through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema."
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Re: Good Catholics Give Assent to Authoritative Docuмents
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2017, 09:26:55 AM »
The New Testament, translated to English at the College of Rheims, 1582 (16th century): Annotations for John Chapter 3: "Though in this case, God which hath not bound his grace, in respect of his own freedom, to any Sacrament, may and doth accept them as baptized, which either are martyred before they could be baptized, or else depart this life with vow and desire to have that Sacrament, but by some remedilesse necessity could not obtain it."
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Re: Good Catholics Give Assent to Authoritative Docuмents
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2017, 11:01:54 AM »
Quote from: GJC on September 22, 2017, 08:45:29 AM
LoT, I have this question for you: Why is "or the desire thereof"  used instead of "and the desire thereof" ?
"LALALALALA... "

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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: Good Catholics Give Assent to Authoritative Docuмents
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2017, 12:32:04 PM »
Baltimore Catechism (19th and 20th centuries): Q. 653. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water? A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water. 

Q. 512. How are such persons said to belong to the Church? A. Such persons are said to belong to the "soul of the church"; that is, they are really members of the Church without knowing it. Those who share in its Sacraments and worship are said to belong to the body or visible part of the Church.

[Note: The Baltimore Catechism was issued by the Third Council of Baltimore in 1884, and was approved by Pope Leo XIII in 1885 as the standard for Catholic schools in the United States, where it remained the standard for nearly a century. Even after extreme scrutiny and corrections after being published, the content on the threefold baptism has remained in the catechism to this day.]
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