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Author Topic: God provides: Stories of God providing deathbed Baptism of water  (Read 47 times)

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Offline Boomerang

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I hope for this thread to be a collection of stories, new or old, of people who have received a deathbed Baptism of water. This will be anecdotal evidence against so-called Baptism of Desire, and in support of God providing the minister and the matter of Baptism to the elect.

To kick off the thread, here is Bp. Williamson (RIP) recounting a story of an SSPX priest in Singapore providing a deathbed Baptism of water a few years prior(From Ladislaus' Bp William lecture series on the Gospel of Matthew, Lecture 48, 38:40 to 42:30, date 12 Mar 1996).
https://open.substack.com/pub/vladsarto/p/bishop-williamson-teaches-the-gospel

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Start 38:17

Bp. Williamson:

“Uh, Verse 30

Many that are first shall be last and the last shall be first.

Compare chapter 20 verse 16.

So he will explain that, he will give a parable of that saying in the next chapter.

It's a very, very important principle.

It speaks of the freedom of God in the giving of his gifts.

That's what the parable will say in the next chapter.

God's complete freedom in how and when unto whom he gives his gifts.

They are gifts, they are, they're not deservable, and therefore there's no question of injustice if God gives them here and takes them away there.

It is mysterious.

How and why God gives to some men at their death baptism so that they can just scoot straight into heaven.

Why do you think, humanly judged, why do you think this man receives a deathbed baptism?

He's never been baptized all his life.

There was a case, I think it was Father Robinson, was in a Hong Kong or a Singapore hospital a few years ago.

It was in Korune”

Seminarian:

“Father Gentile” (editor: correct spelling?)

Bp. Williamson:

“Father Gentile (editor: correct spelling?)

And he was looking out, visiting somebody, and they called him over to a bed nearby?

An old Chinaman?”

Seminarian:

“Yes.

He had asked for baptism, but his relations refused [him], and then he was unconscious, and let him see whether he woke up.”

Bp. Williamson:

“This is one of our own priests just a few years ago.

Singapore, is it?”

Seminarian:

“Singapore.”

Bp. Wiliamson:

“Singapore, yes.

Why do you think that happens?

Why does God arrange for Father Gentile to come by? as far as human beings can tell."

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“Yes, but why this man and not to another?

Chazal?”

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“It's perfectly possible that he'd led what was, paganly speaking, a good life.

Perfectly possible.

Who knows all of the secrets of a life?

You know, only God knows all of the secrets of a man's heart down all the length of a life.

Only God can strike the balance sheet.

All the good that a man does that nobody knows about, and the good people do know about, all the bad that nobody knows about, and all the bad that people do know about.”

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“It could be, but why would it be for this man rather than for another?

Uh, Whenever the Lord God speaks to a privileged soul, what does he say?

Daniel (editor: sounds more like a French name in the audio?)

What's his two-word answer for questions like that?

Darby?

Or A three-word answer compressed.

Don't ask.

because it's the secrets of God.

It's the secrets of predestination.

It's the secrets of God's choice.

But it's certain that in heaven we will understand.

Insofar as we look at, or at the general judgment, we will understand.

It will be clear.

God's justice, as well as mercy in his dealings with every single human being, will be clear.

It's not always clear right now here below, obviously, but it will be clear then.

But if you, it's the kind of question which if you ask too much, you can start accusing God of injustice and then you get into all kinds of trouble, mentally.

But many that are first shall be last and the last will be first.”

End 42:33






This is another example vindicating Fr. Feeney (RIP):
"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the sceptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you."

>Baptism of Water EXISTS for deathbed!
>Therefore Baptism of Desire DOESN'T EXIST!!
Come on. The logic is so poor. :facepalm:


St. Francis Xavier, St. Peter Claver, Fr. De Smet, Ss. Isaac Jogues, Jean de Brébeuf, would be a good start. There are a number of stories of people being brought back to life in order to be baptized, and then immediately dying again. Or living just long enough to be baptized. 
I have been thinking that an extensive study of missionaries (i.e. those actually "in the field", "foot soldiers") regarding the necessity of Baptism would be a valuable addition to the debate. Those men who interacted daily with potential BOD candidates, what did they think of the matter? Or did they think about it at all? No offense to the theologian authors of catechisms and manuals, but they mostly were not the ones traveling across the world in order to save the souls of the ignorant pagans

Anything I've read regarding prominent missionaries points to the fact that they simply believed that there was no salvation outside of the Church, and that the Sacrament of Baptism was necessary for salvation.