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Offline Boomerang

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I hope for this thread to be a collection of stories, new or old, of people who have received a deathbed Baptism of water. This will be anecdotal evidence against so-called Baptism of Desire, and in support of God providing the minister and the matter of Baptism to the elect.

To kick off the thread, here is Bp. Williamson (RIP) recounting a story of an SSPX priest in Singapore providing a deathbed Baptism of water a few years prior(From Ladislaus' Bp William lecture series on the Gospel of Matthew, Lecture 48, 38:40 to 42:30, date 12 Mar 1996).
https://open.substack.com/pub/vladsarto/p/bishop-williamson-teaches-the-gospel

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Start 38:17

Bp. Williamson:

“Uh, Verse 30

Many that are first shall be last and the last shall be first.

Compare chapter 20 verse 16.

So he will explain that, he will give a parable of that saying in the next chapter.

It's a very, very important principle.

It speaks of the freedom of God in the giving of his gifts.

That's what the parable will say in the next chapter.

God's complete freedom in how and when unto whom he gives his gifts.

They are gifts, they are, they're not deservable, and therefore there's no question of injustice if God gives them here and takes them away there.

It is mysterious.

How and why God gives to some men at their death baptism so that they can just scoot straight into heaven.

Why do you think, humanly judged, why do you think this man receives a deathbed baptism?

He's never been baptized all his life.

There was a case, I think it was Father Robinson, was in a Hong Kong or a Singapore hospital a few years ago.

It was in Korune”

Seminarian:

“Father Gentile” (editor: correct spelling?)

Bp. Williamson:

“Father Gentile (editor: correct spelling?)

And he was looking out, visiting somebody, and they called him over to a bed nearby?

An old Chinaman?”

Seminarian:

“Yes.

He had asked for baptism, but his relations refused [him], and then he was unconscious, and let him see whether he woke up.”

Bp. Williamson:

“This is one of our own priests just a few years ago.

Singapore, is it?”

Seminarian:

“Singapore.”

Bp. Wiliamson:

“Singapore, yes.

Why do you think that happens?

Why does God arrange for Father Gentile to come by? as far as human beings can tell."

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“Yes, but why this man and not to another?

Chazal?”

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“It's perfectly possible that he'd led what was, paganly speaking, a good life.

Perfectly possible.

Who knows all of the secrets of a life?

You know, only God knows all of the secrets of a man's heart down all the length of a life.

Only God can strike the balance sheet.

All the good that a man does that nobody knows about, and the good people do know about, all the bad that nobody knows about, and all the bad that people do know about.”

Seminarian:

[Unintelligible]

Bp. Williamson:

“It could be, but why would it be for this man rather than for another?

Uh, Whenever the Lord God speaks to a privileged soul, what does he say?

Daniel (editor: sounds more like a French name in the audio?)

What's his two-word answer for questions like that?

Darby?

Or A three-word answer compressed.

Don't ask.

because it's the secrets of God.

It's the secrets of predestination.

It's the secrets of God's choice.

But it's certain that in heaven we will understand.

Insofar as we look at, or at the general judgment, we will understand.

It will be clear.

God's justice, as well as mercy in his dealings with every single human being, will be clear.

It's not always clear right now here below, obviously, but it will be clear then.

But if you, it's the kind of question which if you ask too much, you can start accusing God of injustice and then you get into all kinds of trouble, mentally.

But many that are first shall be last and the last will be first.”

End 42:33






This is another example vindicating Fr. Feeney (RIP):
"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the sceptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you."

Re: God provides: Stories of God providing deathbed Baptism of water
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2026, 08:00:25 AM »
>Baptism of Water EXISTS for deathbed!
>Therefore Baptism of Desire DOESN'T EXIST!!
Come on. The logic is so poor. :facepalm:


Re: God provides: Stories of God providing deathbed Baptism of water
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2026, 08:51:31 AM »
St. Francis Xavier, St. Peter Claver, Fr. De Smet, Ss. Isaac Jogues, Jean de Brébeuf, would be a good start. There are a number of stories of people being brought back to life in order to be baptized, and then immediately dying again. Or living just long enough to be baptized. 
I have been thinking that an extensive study of missionaries (i.e. those actually "in the field", "foot soldiers") regarding the necessity of Baptism would be a valuable addition to the debate. Those men who interacted daily with potential BOD candidates, what did they think of the matter? Or did they think about it at all? No offense to the theologian authors of catechisms and manuals, but they mostly were not the ones traveling across the world in order to save the souls of the ignorant pagans

Anything I've read regarding prominent missionaries points to the fact that they simply believed that there was no salvation outside of the Church, and that the Sacrament of Baptism was necessary for salvation. 

Offline Stubborn

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Re: God provides: Stories of God providing deathbed Baptism of water
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2026, 11:03:47 AM »
A marvelous, very short news article that exemplifies how Divine Providence works when it comes to a BOD. Ask and you shall receive!

John Wayne dies a day after being baptized!

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: God provides: Stories of God providing deathbed Baptism of water
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2026, 06:45:29 PM »
This is another example vindicating Fr. Feeney (RIP):
"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water. The schemes concerning salvation, I leave to the sceptics. The clear truths of salvation, I am preaching to you."

Precisely this.  I actually backed a BoDer into a corner one time, the old "Lover of Truth [sic]" (I called him "Lover of Heresy"), and I refused to move on until he answered my question.  I kept pushing him on the fact that God can do anything that He wants, that it's childsplay for Him, etc. ... and he finally had to concede the point.  I mean, it would be openly heretical to deny it.  I love it how BoDers claim that we "constrain" or "limit" God by His Sacraments, whereas in point of fact it is the who constrain God by "impossibility".  If God decreed that His Sacraments are necessary for salvation, then they are necessary for salvation, and He WILL follow through on it and get the Sacrament to His elect.  There are many stories of saints raising people back to life in order to baptize them.

Perhaps the most moving and dramatic happened in the life of St. Peter Claver, an incident witnessed by many.  He had arrived at a home where a devout slave girl, Agustina, had died.  But St. Peter was inspired to kneel at the foot of her bed for an hour, and after the hour she came back to life and coughed up a large quantity of blood.  St. Peter began to hear her Confession (he must have received inspiration that she had not been saved).  But after a short time he received another light, stopped the confession, and baptized Angusta, after which died.  She had related that she was in a beautiful place travelling down a road when a man in white stopped her and told her that she could go no further, since she didn't have on her wedding garment.  Agustina had been a devout practicing "Catholic", as far as anyone had known, going to daily Mass and receiving Holy Communion nearly every day.

In any case, St. Augustine, who's often cited as the great authority behind BoD, he actually retracted it after having battled it out with the Pelagians, and issued some of the most anti-BoD statements in existence.


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If you wish to be a catholic, do not venture to believe, to say, or to teach that they whom the Lord has predestinated for [the sacrament of] baptism can be snatched away from his predestination, or die before that has been accomplished in them which the Almighty has predestined.

There is in such a dogma more power than I can tell assigned to chances in opposition to the power of God, by the occurrence of which casualties that which He has predestinated is not permitted to come to pass. It is hardly necessary to spend time or earnest words in cautioning the man who takes up with this error against the absolute vortex of confusion into which it will absorb him [. . .]

St. Augustine realized that to somehow endow "misfortune" or "chance" to overcome the power of God wasn't even remotely Catholic.

In any case, back to "Lover of Heresy".  He admitted that God cannot be undermined by accidents or impossibility.  So then I asked him then why God would will for some to be saved by BoD and others by the Sacrament.

Only thing He could come up with was that God willed for some people to spend some time in Purgatory ... but of course we know how that undermines the teacing of Trent regarding how initial justification is a regeneration, and then the Council defines regeneration as a complete rebirth so that nothing remains which could hinder or delay one's entry into the Kingdom.