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Author Topic: God's salvific will to save "all men" and the death of unbaptized infants  (Read 321180 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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My darker side comes out when I am "discussing" something and my "opponent" fails to appreciate a critical distinction that they either ignore or purposely evade because it is damaging to their inclined view, so reason be damned.
I totally understand. 

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I sometimes feel you do that in discussion, and I get frustrated with you. But again, I've done the same myself in the past.
Honestly, many times I don't follow 100% what you're trying to say because you write in generalities too much (for me, personally).  I like specific examples, because it makes the conversation clearer.  You might object to something I write and say "Well, you're just contradicting St Thomas".  I might be, and you might be correct, but if you don't point out the EXACT contradiction, I'm left to ASSUME what you meant.  Especially when multiple points are being discussed, many times I'm left to guess what you mean.

Not your fault.  It's just this mode of communication, especially on complex topics, leads to misunderstandings.

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As  to Denzinger, yes I agree with all of those propositions. Where did you get the list, or how did you put it together?  Interesting.
I found it on some catholic site.  Yes, I agree with all these propositions as well.

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I hope we can reach agreement.
I thought we were in agreement, just misunderstanding each other.

Offline Gray2023

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Job was an Isrealite who followed God's Law.  Plato was a pagan (who some say lived a 'naturally good life').  The difference is night and day.  Similar to a Catholic vs a 'good natured Hindu'.
Ok. Please excuse my ignorance.

Job, wasn't Jєωιѕн? Correct?

Old Testament
Jew = chosen people
Job (wouldn't Moses wife'sfamily be in this same camp?) = follower of God's law
Plato = pagan

Now times
Catholic = true Christians
Protestant (assumption is that they have been baptized properly)= try to follow God's law
Hindu = pagan


This is just a simple outline, by no means does it mean anything dogmatic, nor am I trying to change the teachings of the Church in anyway.  I am just trying to put pieces together.

Again please ignore, if I am going too far off track.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Job, wasn't Jєωιѕн? Correct?

Old Testament
Jew = chosen people
Job (wouldn't Moses wife'sfamily be in this same camp?) = follower of God's law
Plato = pagan
Job was Jєωιѕн.  He followed God's law.  In the Old Testament, there was no middle/protestant group.  Either Jєωιѕн or Gentile/pagan.


Job was Jєωιѕн.  He followed God's law.  In the Old Testament, there was no middle/protestant group.  Either Jєωιѕн or Gentile/pagan.

Job was not Jєωιѕн.:facepalm:

I totally understand. 
Honestly, many times I don't follow 100% what you're trying to say because you write in generalities too much (for me, personally).  I like specific examples, because it makes the conversation clearer.  You might object to something I write and say "Well, you're just contradicting St Thomas".  I might be, and you might be correct, but if you don't point out the EXACT contradiction, I'm left to ASSUME what you meant.  Especially when multiple points are being discussed, many times I'm left to guess what you mean.

Not your fault.  It's just this mode of communication, especially on complex topics, leads to misunderstandings.
I found it on some catholic site.  Yes, I agree with all these propositions as well.
I thought we were in agreement, just misunderstanding each other.

Can you please use the quote “button” in the upper right so we know who you are quoting?