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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: God's salvific will to save "all men" and the death of unbaptized infants
« Reply #81 on: September 07, 2023, 10:27:45 PM »
Saint Fulgentius:

“Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
-2 Timothy 2:4

“Nevertheless, these “all men” whom God wishes to save include not the entire human race altogether, but rather the totality of those who are to be saved.

So the word “all” is mentioned because the divine kindness saves all kinds from among all men, that is, from every race, status, and age, from every language and every region.”

-St Fulgentius of Ruspe-Correspondence on Christology and Grace.

Interesting quote.  I haven't seen this one before.


Offline DecemRationis

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« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2023, 10:40:00 PM »
Saint Fulgentius:

“Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
-2 Timothy 2:4

“Nevertheless, these “all men” whom God wishes to save include not the entire human race altogether, but rather the totality of those who are to be saved.

So the word “all” is mentioned because the divine kindness saves all kinds from among all men, that is, from every race, status, and age, from every language and every region.”

-St Fulgentius of Ruspe-Correspondence on Christology and Grace.

St. Fulgentius's view thus accords with the first two of the three senses in which 2 Tim 2:4 may be understood according to St. Thomas:

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Reply to Objection 1. The words of the Apostle, "God will have all men to be saved," etc. can be understood in three ways.


First, by a restricted application, in which case they would mean, as Augustine says (De praed. sanct. i, 8: Enchiridion 103), "God wills all men to be saved that are saved, not because there is no man whom He does not wish saved, but because there is no man saved whose salvation He does not will."

Secondly, they can be understood as applying to every class of individuals, not to every individual of each class; in which case they mean that God wills some men of every class and condition to be saved, males and females, Jєωs and Gentiles, great and small, but not all of every condition.


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Re: God's salvific will to save "all men" and the death of unbaptized infants
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2023, 10:50:58 PM »

1 Timothy 2:4

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Re: God's salvific will to save "all men" and the death of unbaptized infants
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2023, 07:41:52 AM »

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St. Augustine

On Merit and the Forgiveness of Sins, and the Baptism of Infants (Book I)


Chapter 30.— Why One is Baptized and Another Not, Not Otherwise Inscrutable.

Now those very persons, who think it unjust that infants which depart this life without the grace of Christ should be deprived not only of the kingdom of God, into which they themselves admit that none but such as are regenerated through baptism can enter, but also of eternal life and salvation — when they ask how it can be just that one man should be freed from original sin and another not, although the condition of both of them is the same, might answer their own question, in accordance with their own opinion of how it can be so frequently just and right that one should have baptism administered to him whereby to enter into the kingdom of God, and another not be so favoured, although the case of both is alike. For if the question disturbs him, why, of the two persons, who are both equally sinners by nature, the one is loosed from that bond, on whom baptism is conferred, and the other is not released, on whom such grace is not bestowed; why is he not similarly disturbed by the fact that of two persons, innocent by nature, one receives baptism, whereby he is able to enter into the kingdom of God, and the other does not receive it, so that he is incapable of approaching the kingdom of God? Now in both cases one recurs to the apostle's outburst of wonder O the depth of the riches! Again, let me be informed, why out of the body of baptized infants themselves, one is taken away, so that his understanding undergoes no change from a wicked life, Wisdom 4:11 and the other survives, destined to become an impious man? Suppose both were carried off, would not both enter the kingdom of heaven? And yet there is no unrighteousness with God. Romans 9:14 How is it that no one is moved, no one is driven to the expression of wonder amidst such depths, by the circuмstance that some children are vexed by the unclean spirit, while others experience no such pollution, and others again, as Jeremiah, are sanctified even in their mother's womb; Jeremiah 1:5 whereas all men, if there is original sin, are equally guilty; or else equally innocent if there is original sin? Whence this great diversity, except in the fact that God's judgments are unsearchable, and His ways past finding out?


CHURCH FATHERS: On Merit and the Forgiveness of Sins, and the Baptism of Infants, Book I (Augustine) (newadvent.org)