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Offline DecemRationis

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2 Tim 2:17-19

And their speech spreadeth like a canker: of whom are Hymeneus and Philetus: [18] Who have erred from the truth, saying, that the resurrection is past already, and have subverted the faith of some. [19] But the sure foundation of God standeth firm, having this seal: the Lord knoweth who are his; and let every one depart from iniquity who nameth the name of the Lord.

Haydock Commentary

Ver. 19. But the sure foundation of God and of the Christian faith standeth firm, though some fall from it, and will stand to the end of the world, the Church being built on a rock, and upon the promises of Christ, which cannot fail. Having this seal: the Lord knoweth who are his. The words are applied from Numbers xvi. 5. The sense is, that the faith and Church of Christ cannot fail, because God has decreed and promised to remain with his Church, and especially to protect his elect, to the end of the world. To know his, here is not only to have a knowledge, but is accompanied with a love and singular protection over them, with such graces as shall make them persevere to the end . . .

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Salza on Father William Most's book on Predestination
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2022, 07:09:14 PM »
Working through Mr. Salza's book on Predestination (see reply #43 above). At this point, I definitely would recommend it ...

Mr. Salza has a large section where he basically takes apart Father William Most's book, Grace, Predestination, and the Salvific Will of God.  ...

Salza has no business masquerading as a Catholic theologian ... especially after having been completely discredited as a result the anti-SV screed that he co-authored.

Stick with Father Garrigou-Lagrange and other approved pre-Vatican II ACTUAL theologians, not this pop arm-chair theological wannabe ... who spent hundreds of pages arguing that St. Robert Bellarmine basically held the same opinion as Cajetan on the pope issue, even though St. Robert explicitly rejected it.

His absurd legalistic principles have now led him to conclude that, while Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι are Catholics in good standing, Traditional Catholics (even those who aren't SVs) are outside the Church.


Offline Mark 79

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Re: Salza on Father William Most's book on Predestination
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2022, 10:32:32 PM »
Salza has no business masquerading as a Catholic theologian ... especially after having been completely discredited as a result the anti-SV screed that he co-authored.

Stick with Father Garrigou-Lagrange and other approved pre-Vatican II ACTUAL theologians, not this pop arm-chair theological wannabe ... who spent hundreds of pages arguing that St. Robert Bellarmine basically held the same opinion as Cajetan on the pope issue, even though St. Robert explicitly rejected it.

His absurd legalistic principles have now led him to conclude that, while Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι are Catholics in good standing, Traditional Catholics (even those who aren't SVs) are outside the Church.
Bravo!

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Salza on Father William Most's book on Predestination
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2022, 09:49:00 AM »
Bravo!

I think that I got riled up because Predestination in particular is an extremely complicated theological subject that even the Church did not definitively rule on (down to the level of Thomism and Molinism), and even the Church's top theologians have struggled with it.  I would never presume to write some book on predestination.  Salza has no theological training, not even at the level of what a simple SSPX priest or pre-Vatican II priest would have, and to me it would be great hubris to write a book about it.

I recall an older pre-Vatican II priest who visited us at St. Thomas Aquinas seminary.  He complained that so many Traditional priests carry on as if they were theologians, whereas before Vatican II you wouldn't even THINK to pretend to be qualified unless you've had advanced degrees from Rome.  I could see perhaps writing an article or blog piece in which one might opine on the subject, but to write a book about Predestination without a lick of theological training?

It would be out of line for a properly-trained priest to write such a book, much less someone who has had zero formal training in scholastic philosophy and theology.

Offline DecemRationis

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St. Augustine, On Correction and Grace
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2022, 07:19:17 AM »


"If, according to the word of truth, no one is delivered from the condemnation which was incurred through Adam except through faith in Jesus Christ, and yet from this condemnation they shall not deliver themselves who shall be able to say that they have not heard the gospel of Christ, on the ground that ‘faith cometh by hearing,’ how much less shall they deliver themselves who shall say, “We have not received perseverance!” For the excuse of those who say, “We have not received hearing,” seems more equitable than that of those who say, “We have not received perseverance;” since it may be said, O man, in that which thou hadst heard and kept, in that thou mightest persevere if thou wouldest; but in no wise can it be said, That which thou hadst not heard thou mightest believe if thou wouldest.  And, consequently, both those who have not heard the gospel, and those who, having heard it and been changed by it for the better, have not received perseverance, and those who, having heard the gospel, have refused to come to Christ, that is, to believe on Him - since He Himself says, ‘No man cometh unto me, except it were given him of my Father,’ - and those who by their tender age were unable to believe, but might be absolved from original sin by the sole laver of regeneration, and yet have not received this laver, and have perished in death: are not made to differ from that lump which it is plain is condemned, as all go from one into condemnation. Some are made to differ, however, not by their own merits, but by the grace of the Mediator; that is to say, they are justified freely in the blood of the second Adam."

(On Correction and Grace 11-12)