Author Topic: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent (Read 23571 times)

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #45 on:** May 29, 2018, 09:00:35 PM »

Quote from: happenby on May 29, 2018, 06:19:34 PM

How does one know whether persons who die without baptism are not at fault? Simply because they died before they got baptism? Who judges such a thing? What if they took their time and didn't get Baptism when they could have? Or seriously questioned their faith? Denied their faith? Didn't regret a mortal sin? Cursed God last minute? This canon may be in a book that's supposed to be Catholic, but it really doesn't make sense that people must consider someone as Baptized when they are not.

I would like to suggest that you consult a priest with these concerns.

The First Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.

You said "This canon may be in a book that's supposed to be Catholic...", to which I would encourage your to explore the following link. http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Canon_Law/index.html

happenby · « **Reply #46 on:** May 30, 2018, 01:46:10 AM »

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 29, 2018, 09:00:35 PM

I would like to suggest that you consult a priest with these concerns.

The First Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.

You said "This canon may be in a book that's supposed to be Catholic...", to which I would encourage your to explore the following link. http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Canon_Law/index.html

Your quote proves my point. No man can know, so how is it that men are told to assume a catechumen as Baptized, who dies not Baptized? The command to accept someone dying without Baptism is automatically Baptized no matter what condition he may have been in is an outrage. Scripture tells us to test the spirit. Any truth is able to stand scrutiny. And that's all this is about.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #47 on:** May 30, 2018, 08:08:09 AM »

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 29, 2018, 03:15:12 PM

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer's article entitled "The Three Baptisms".
http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_baptisms.htm

Stop spamming. I've read this article and it's theological garbage.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #48 on:** May 30, 2018, 08:09:48 AM »

Quote from: happenby on May 30, 2018, 01:46:10 AM

No man can know, so how is it that men are told to assume a catechumen as Baptized, who dies not Baptized? The command to accept someone dying without Baptism is automatically Baptized no matter what condition he may have been in is an outrage.

You're going with JAM's false reading of the Canon Law. This does not say that catechumens are considered baptized, but merely that they are to be treated as such in the context of whether or not they're allowed to have a Catholic funeral. This is merely a disciplinary measure and amounts to nothing more than saying "Baptized and catechumens may receive a Catholic burial."

happenby · « **Reply #49 on:** May 30, 2018, 12:14:17 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 30, 2018, 08:09:48 AM

You're going with JAM's false reading of the Canon Law. This does not say that catechumens are considered baptized, but merely that they are to be treated as such in the context of whether or not they're allowed to have a Catholic funeral. This is merely a disciplinary measure and amounts to nothing more than saying "Baptized and catechumens may receive a Catholic burial."

Actually, I was complaining about it. Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been.

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