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Offline trad123

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #140 on: June 01, 2018, 01:04:11 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on June 01, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
no.  for us, there is no exception, but for God, there is no restriction.

There is one restriction, God cannot contradict Himself.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #141 on: June 01, 2018, 04:32:18 AM »
Asking for the third time.....

The words of God, Who is Truth Himself, said: "Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

So the only question anyone needs to answer, is: Can a man enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost?

Yes or no.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #142 on: June 01, 2018, 07:34:32 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 31, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Pope Pius IX said,
Specifically, that they "are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace."

Nowhere does the Pope teach Pelagianism ... as you try to slander him as doing.

What the Pope is saying that by the virtue (aka power) of divine LIGHT and GRACE, such as these who place no obstacle to their salvation, can be saved.  But, note, nowhere does he see IN THEIR CURRENT STATE of ignorance.  In fact, the DIVINE LIGHT will dispel said ignorance and lead them to the faith.  Stop slandering Pope Pius IX.  In fact, as Father Feeney pointed out, some of Pope Pius IX's advisors reported to him that people had been reading this passage in such a way as to undermine EENS, and the Pope was highly distressed, since he did not intend the teaching the way that they (and you) were taking it.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #143 on: June 01, 2018, 07:36:55 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on May 31, 2018, 11:53:39 PM
CMRI

Fr. Dominic Radecki and Francisco Radecki,

What has happened to the Catholic Church? (Kindle Locations 1631-1635). St. Joseph's Media. Kindle Edition.

Radecki promotes heresy here.  No one can be saved THROUGH ignorance.  Ignorance cannot be salvific but merely exculpatory.  Even LoT used to concede this.  To claim that ignorance saves is nothing short of blatant Pelagian heresy.  It also contradicts Pius IX who teaches that they are saved not by their ignorance but by the action of DIVINE LIGHT.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #144 on: June 01, 2018, 07:37:36 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on June 01, 2018, 04:32:18 AM
Asking for the third time.....

The words of God, Who is Truth Himself, said: "Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

So the only question anyone needs to answer, is: Can a man enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost?

Yes or no.

You'll never get a response.  I think LoT tried to answer this at one point but tripped all over himself.

Obviously the answer is a categorical NO, since Jesus said NO.
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