Author Topic: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent (Read 23307 times)

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #135 on:** June 01, 2018, 12:07:19 AM »

Quote from: trad123 on May 31, 2018, 11:53:39 PM

CMRI

Fr. Dominic Radecki and Francisco Radecki,

Those outside the Catholic Church can be saved through invincible ignorance; not because they are following a false religion but in spite of it. Why did Christ come down to earth, endure His Passion and death on the cross and establish His own Church if all religions are vehicles of salvation?

"can be", meaning it is possible; "through" their invincible ignorance, not by it or with it, "in spite of it", because they "are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace".

God is not bound.

trad123 · « **Reply #136 on:** June 01, 2018, 12:13:23 AM »

You placed emphasis on the wrong words.

Read the first 5 words.

Slowly

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #137 on:** June 01, 2018, 12:22:37 AM »

s l o w l y …
Those outside the Catholic Church

e v e n m o r e s l o w l y …
it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom 'the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.'(Ecuмenical Council of Chalcedon in its letter to Pope Leo.) The words of Christ are clear enough: 'If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;'(Mt 15.17.) 'He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;'(Lk 10.16.) 'He who does not believe will be condemned;'(Mk 16.16.) 'He who does not believe is already condemned;'(Jn 3.18.) 'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.'(Lk 11.23.) The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned;'(Ti 3.11.) the Prince of the Apostles calls them 'false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.'(2 Pt 2.1.)

trad123 · « **Reply #138 on:** June 01, 2018, 12:27:50 AM »

John, do you mean to tell me that you think the state of invincible ignorance is an exception to Extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #139 on:** June 01, 2018, 12:30:45 AM »

no. for us, there is no exception, but for God, there is no restriction.

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