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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => The Feeneyism Ghetto => Topic started by: poche on January 11, 2018, 01:57:32 AM
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""Whatever differences on points of doctrine may exist amongst the different denominations of Christians, all should be united in the bonds of charity, all should pray for one another, all should be willing to assist one another; and, where we are compelled to disapprove of our neighbor's doctrine, let our disapprobation fall upon his doctrine only, not upon his person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
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2 John:10 If you are visited by one who does not bring this teaching with him, you must not receive him in your houses, or bid him welcome; 11 to bid him welcome is to share the guilt of his doings.(10 If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. 11 For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.)
What is it they can not understand?
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Gallitzin's part in building up the Roman Catholic church in western Pennsylvania cannot be overestimated; it is said that at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen. Loretto today is in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Altoona-Johnstown).
In 1899-1901, the steel industrialist Charles M. Schwab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schwab) funded the construction of a large stone church, which is the current basilica, at Prince Gallitzin's tomb. Schwab also provided funds for a bronze statue of Gallitzin.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-Altoona-9)
The nearby town of Gallitzin, Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallitzin,_Pennsylvania),[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-16) is named for western Pennsylvania's first English-speaking Roman Catholic priest. It is in this town that the Pennsylvania Railroad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad) would tunnel through the summit of the Allegheny Mountains. Eventually, the railroad would operate three tunnels through the ridge into Gallitzin. The Gallitzin Tunnel was closed as part of Conrail (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail)'s massive double-stack clearance project in the 1990s. In the mid-1960s, Pennsylvania christened a new nearby state park in honor of Prince Gallitzin, as he is called locally.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-17)
In 1990, the Most Rev. Joseph V. Adamec, Bishop-Emeritus of the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, established the Prince Gallitzin Cross Award, which is given annually to Catholics in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown who exemplify the evangelizing spirit of the Prince-Priest, Demetrius Gallitzin.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-18)
On June 6, 2005, it was announced that Gallitzin had been named a Servant of God (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_God) by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Causes_of_Saints), the first step on the path toward possible future sainthood (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint#Catholicism).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
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This statement was in response to an attack by a Protestant minister;
Notwithstanding his various duties, Father Gallitzin found time to publish several tracts in defense of Catholicism. He was provoked to respond to a sermon delivered on Thanksgiving Day 1814, in Huntingdon, Pennsylvania, by a certain minister who went out of his way to attack what he called "popery". Father Gallitzin first published his Defense of Catholic Principles, which ran through several editions. This was followed by A Letter on the Holy Scriptures and An Appeal to the Protestant Public.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-13)[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)He implies a belief in the baptism of desire.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin#cite_note-14)
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Lot's of people do, it does not mean that belief is an orthodox one. There are many examples of people who call themselves Catholic but publically profess a different faith than the one handed down from the Apostles. It was widespread even in the decades leading up to Vatican II.
yes, and Fr. Galitzin was the apostle to the Alleghenies.
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That used to be the policy in what was to be teh United States but there was a Vatican instruction condemning the practice.
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There was a Vatican instruction not to baptize infants?
Yes, in the 1810s the instruction was to only baptize infants only if there was a reasonable expectation that they would be brought up in the Church. Prior to that the priests were indiscriminately baptizing the infants and children of any and everybody regardless of whether the parents were Catholic or not.
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Yes, in the 1810s the instruction was to only baptize infants only if there was a reasonable expectation that they would be brought up in the Church. Prior to that the priests were indiscriminately baptizing the infants and children of any and everybody regardless of whether the parents were Catholic or not.
...which is what the Church teaches. Nothing special to see here, Baptism is a sacrament for the faithful, not to just be handed out like cookies at a bad Christmas party. If you aren’t going to be raising your children Catholic, the priest should deny to Baptize your child.
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""Whatever differences on points of doctrine may exist amongst the different denominations of Christians, all should be united in the bonds of charity, all should pray for one another, all should be willing to assist one another; and, where we are compelled to disapprove of our neighbor's doctrine, let our disapprobation fall upon his doctrine only, not upon his person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
So we see the rot here already over a hundred years before Vatican II. He trivializes the Protestant heresy as mere "differences on points of doctrine" that exist among the "different denominations". No, the Prots are in revolt against the very foundation of all doctrine, the Church. And the Catholic Church is not merely one of a number of denominations. No wonder Pius IX had to condemn religious indifferentism already in his day.
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So we see the rot here already over a hundred years before Vatican II. He trivializes the Protestant heresy as mere "differences on points of doctrine" that exist among the "different denominations". No, the Prots are in revolt against the very foundation of all doctrine, the Church. And the Catholic Church is not merely one of a number of denominations. No wonder Pius IX had to condemn religious indifferentism already in his day.
It isn't 'Vatican II rot,' it is a recognition that BOD was recognized long before Vatican II as legitimate.
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It isn't 'Vatican II rot,' it is a recognition that BOD was recognized long before Vatican II as legitimate.
This has nothing to do with BoD but with religious indifferentism ... which Galitzin promotes. You Cushingite idiots keep pretending that BoD = Baptism of Sincerity and try to apply it even to baptized schismatics and heretics.
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This has nothing to do with BoD but with religious indifferentism ... which Galitzin promotes. You Cushingite idiots keep pretending that BoD = Baptism of Sincerity and try to apply it even to baptized schismatics and heretics.
Gallitzin's part in building up the Roman Catholic church in western Pennsylvania cannot be overestimated; it is said that at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen. Loretto today is in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Altoona-Johnstown).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
Fr. Galitzin brought the Catholic to the Alleghenies. He couldn't do this if he were an indifferentist.
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What's better, 12 True Catholics who believe in all that Our Lord Revealed, or 10000 people who are Catholic in name only?
St Catherine Emerich said that if there were only one Catholic then the gates of Hell would not prevail.
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Relevance?
My point was that a dozen people who are actually Catholic and believe what the Church teaches is better than 10,000 people who call themselves Catholic but are in fact non-Catholic indifferentists. Just because there were 10,000 people in that district who called themselves Catholic means nothing, and if they all were indeed Catholic, it was not because of Gallitzin's indifferentism, but in spite of it. Our Lord can work through indifferent priests as well, to bring about conversions to the True Faith.
I would suggest that it was due to his hard work bringing the true Faith to the people of that area.
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You sure it wasn't his strong belief that whatever religion you belong to doesn't really matter?
If he felt that way he would have remained niminally in the Russian Orthodox where he would have been able to receive his inheritance without much trouble.
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That's not necessarily true. There are an untold number of people who convert to any number of "religions", not because they believe it's the only true church but just because they happen to like certain aspects of it more than others. They may even appear zealous for that particular "religion" in one way or another.
He gave up a huge inheritance when he became Catholic.
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I would suggest that it was due to his hard work bringing the true Faith to the people of that area.
Why bother if they can desire baptism from a distance? BECAUSE they needed BAPTISM OF WATER in order to enter the Church and be able to receive any other sacrament! Why did Arch. L. go to Africa? BECAUSE the natives could not be saved without Baptism of Water. The Church in her highest authority says WATER is necessary, and there is no substitute. BOD/BOB is only the SPECULATION of various saints and theologians while Baptism of Water is ABSOLUTE.
"Unless a man be born again of WATER and the Holy Ghost, he CANNOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven." - Jesus Christ
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:applause: So?
What have you given up for the Faith?
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Why bother if they can desire baptism from a distance? BECAUSE they needed BAPTISM OF WATER in order to enter the Church and be able to receive any other sacrament! Why did Arch. L. go to Africa? BECAUSE the natives could not be saved without Baptism of Water. The Church in her highest authority says WATER is necessary, and there is no substitute. BOD/BOB is only the SPECULATION of various saints and theologians while Baptism of Water is ABSOLUTE.
"Unless a man be born again of WATER and the Holy Ghost, he CANNOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven." - Jesus Christ
So, Father Galitzin has something in common with Archbishop Lefebvre.
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Gallitzin's part in building up the Roman Catholic church in western Pennsylvania cannot be overestimated; it is said that at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen.
NOTE!
It does not say he converted 10,000 to the faith or that he brought back to the Church 10,000 Catholics, it just says "at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen". It does not say that the 10,000 "Catholics" even went to mass.
It says that in 40 years there were 10,000 Catholics. That is no surprise, as immigration from Catholic countries went from droplets to a flood at that time all over the USA.
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""Whatever differences on points of doctrine may exist amongst the different denominations of Christians, all should be united in the bonds of charity, all should pray for one another, all should be willing to assist one another; and, where we are compelled to disapprove of our neighbor's doctrine, let our disapprobation fall upon his doctrine only, not upon his person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
The real world result of such teaching can be viewed first hand in South America, since that has been the teaching since Vatican II.
In Brazil, the largest population Catholic country (all of Central and South America was Catholic) , today as many Protestants go to "church" on Sundays as Catholics, and they are growing fast in numbers by the day. This is happening all over South America, where there were no Protestants before. To be clear, in Brazil, only about 7% of Catholics go to mass, and that is to the Novus Ordo, so the majority of Catholics have fallen away from the faith altogether AS A RESULT of the indifferentism taught to them by the Vatican II policy which is identical to the quote by Fr. Gallitzin above.
The Spanish preserved their country and possessions (all of the America's South of the USA) from the heretical Protestants with the sword and spread the faith throughout the world. The Vatican II religion has dissolved the faith from all of those countries with the white flag of indifferentism.
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How is that an answer?
I said that just because someone converts and tries to convert others does not necessarily mean they are not indifferent towards religion. That might only mean that they happen to like one religion more than another.
Your response was to tell me that he gave up an inheritance. That does not refute what I said but is irrelevant.
When I said "So?" to you, your response is to ask me what I've given up for the faith? How is this a rational conversation?
When he converted to the Catholic Faith, it was not for any political or social expediency. His family disowned him and he became unpopular in the social circle that he was part of.
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What is the point of arguing for him? His own words prove he was indifferent towards religion.
His actions show that he was a believer in the Catholic Faith.