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From Father Galitzin
« on: January 11, 2018, 01:57:32 AM »
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    • ""Whatever differences on points of doctrine may exist amongst the different denominations of Christians, all should be united in the bonds of charity, all should pray for one another, all should be willing to assist one another; and, where we are compelled to disapprove of our neighbor's doctrine, let our disapprobation fall upon his doctrine only, not upon his person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 08:29:55 AM »
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    2 John:10 If you are visited by one who does not bring this teaching with him, you must not receive him in your houses, or bid him welcome; 11 to bid him welcome is to share the guilt of his doings.(10 If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. 11 For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.) 
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 10:01:19 PM »
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    • Gallitzin's part in building up the Roman Catholic church in western Pennsylvania cannot be overestimated; it is said that at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen. Loretto today is in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.
    In 1899-1901, the steel industrialist Charles M. Schwab funded the construction of a large stone church, which is the current basilica, at Prince Gallitzin's tomb. Schwab also provided funds for a bronze statue of Gallitzin.[9]
    The nearby town of Gallitzin, Pennsylvania,[16] is named for western Pennsylvania's first English-speaking Roman Catholic priest. It is in this town that the Pennsylvania Railroad would tunnel through the summit of the Allegheny Mountains. Eventually, the railroad would operate three tunnels through the ridge into Gallitzin. The Gallitzin Tunnel was closed as part of Conrail's massive double-stack clearance project in the 1990s. In the mid-1960s, Pennsylvania christened a new nearby state park in honor of Prince Gallitzin, as he is called locally.[17]
    In 1990, the Most Rev. Joseph V. Adamec, Bishop-Emeritus of the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, established the Prince Gallitzin Cross Award, which is given annually to Catholics in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown who exemplify the evangelizing spirit of the Prince-Priest, Demetrius Gallitzin.[18]
    On June 6, 2005, it was announced that Gallitzin had been named a Servant of God by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, the first step on the path toward possible future sainthood.


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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2018, 02:21:31 AM »
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    • This statement was in response to an attack by a Protestant minister;

     Notwithstanding his various duties, Father Gallitzin found time to publish several tracts in defense of Catholicism. He was provoked to respond to a sermon delivered on Thanksgiving Day 1814, in Huntingdon, Pennsylvania, by a certain minister who went out of his way to attack what he called "popery". Father Gallitzin first published his Defense of Catholic Principles, which ran through several editions. This was followed by A Letter on the Holy Scriptures and An Appeal to the Protestant Public.[13][14]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin


    He implies a belief in the baptism of desire. 
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2018, 10:54:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 16, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
    Lot's of people do, it does not mean that belief is an orthodox one. There are many examples of people who call themselves Catholic but publically profess a different faith than the one handed down from the Apostles. It was widespread even in the decades leading up to Vatican II.
    yes, and Fr. Galitzin was the apostle to the Alleghenies.
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 11:25:03 PM »
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    • That used to be the policy in what was to  be teh United States but there was a Vatican instruction condemning the practice.  
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 12:51:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on January 18, 2018, 02:06:03 PM
    There was a Vatican instruction not to baptize infants?
    Yes, in the 1810s the instruction was to only baptize infants only if there was a reasonable expectation that they would be brought up in the Church. Prior to that the priests were indiscriminately baptizing the infants and children of any and everybody regardless of whether the parents were Catholic or not.
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 07:08:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 19, 2018, 12:51:16 AM
    Yes, in the 1810s the instruction was to only baptize infants only if there was a reasonable expectation that they would be brought up in the Church. Prior to that the priests were indiscriminately baptizing the infants and children of any and everybody regardless of whether the parents were Catholic or not.
    ...which is what the Church teaches. Nothing special to see here, Baptism is a sacrament for the faithful, not to just be handed out like cookies at a bad Christmas party. If you aren’t going to be raising your children Catholic, the priest should deny to Baptize your child. 
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 08:20:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 11, 2018, 01:57:32 AM
    ""Whatever differences on points of doctrine may exist amongst the different denominations of Christians, all should be united in the bonds of charity, all should pray for one another, all should be willing to assist one another; and, where we are compelled to disapprove of our neighbor's doctrine, let our disapprobation fall upon his doctrine only, not upon his person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin

    So we see the rot here already over a hundred years before Vatican II.  He trivializes the Protestant heresy as mere "differences on points of doctrine" that exist among the "different denominations".  No, the Prots are in revolt against the very foundation of all doctrine, the Church.  And the Catholic Church is not merely one of a number of denominations.  No wonder Pius IX had to condemn religious indifferentism already in his day.
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 10:16:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 30, 2018, 08:20:57 AM
    So we see the rot here already over a hundred years before Vatican II.  He trivializes the Protestant heresy as mere "differences on points of doctrine" that exist among the "different denominations".  No, the Prots are in revolt against the very foundation of all doctrine, the Church.  And the Catholic Church is not merely one of a number of denominations.  No wonder Pius IX had to condemn religious indifferentism already in his day.
    It isn't 'Vatican II rot,' it is a recognition that BOD was recognized long before Vatican II as legitimate.
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 08:22:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on January 30, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
    It isn't 'Vatican II rot,' it is a recognition that BOD was recognized long before Vatican II as legitimate.

    This has nothing to do with BoD but with religious indifferentism ... which Galitzin promotes.  You Cushingite idiots keep pretending that BoD = Baptism of Sincerity and try to apply it even to baptized schismatics and heretics.
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2018, 12:02:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 31, 2018, 08:22:10 AM
    This has nothing to do with BoD but with religious indifferentism ... which Galitzin promotes.  You Cushingite idiots keep pretending that BoD = Baptism of Sincerity and try to apply it even to baptized schismatics and heretics.
    Gallitzin's part in building up the Roman Catholic church in western Pennsylvania cannot be overestimated; it is said that at his death there were 10,000 Roman Catholics in the district where forty years before he had found a scant dozen. Loretto today is in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetrius_Augustine_Gallitzin
    Fr. Galitzin brought the Catholic to the Alleghenies. He couldn't do this if he were an indifferentist. 
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 04:50:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on February 01, 2018, 07:41:58 AM
    What's better, 12 True Catholics who believe in all that Our Lord Revealed, or 10000 people who are Catholic in name only?
    St Catherine Emerich said that if there were only one Catholic then the gates of Hell would not prevail. 
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #13 on: February 12, 2018, 10:45:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on February 11, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
    Relevance?
    My point was that a dozen people who are actually Catholic and believe what the Church teaches is better than 10,000 people who call themselves Catholic but are in fact non-Catholic indifferentists. Just because there were 10,000 people in that district who called themselves Catholic means nothing, and if they all were indeed Catholic, it was not because of Gallitzin's indifferentism, but in spite of it. Our Lord can work through indifferent priests as well, to bring about conversions to the True Faith.
    I would suggest that it was due to his hard work bringing the true Faith to the people of that area.  
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    Re: From Father Galitzin
    « Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 10:54:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on February 12, 2018, 11:32:19 AM
    You sure it wasn't his strong belief that whatever religion you belong to doesn't really matter?
    If he felt that way he would have remained niminally in the Russian Orthodox where he would have been able to receive his inheritance without much trouble.
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