Author Topic: Fr. Wathen audios on sedevacantism (Read 1149 times)

Stubborn · « **on:** February 11, 2015, 01:17:10 PM »

Fr. Wathen on Sedevacantism 1 - About 5 minutes long.

Defense of the Papal Throne and Deficiencies of Pope John Paul II - About 20 minutes long.

Oops, meant to post in Crisis forum.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2015, 09:34:36 AM »

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Fr. Wathen on Sedevacantism 1 - About 5 minutes long.

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We are not allowed to declare that a certain incuмbent in the Chair of St. Peter is not the Pope. He may or he may not be, but we are not allowed to say it.

He also advised people not to have anything to do with SV priests especially "especially if they impose it as if it were a doctrine", i.e. the dogmatic sedevacantists.

We cannot say that he is not the pope, but evidently we can say that he "may or may not be" the pope; sounds like sede-doubtism to me. And as soon as we say that we do not know that he's pope with the certainty of faith, that doubt absolves from the obligation of submission and obedience.

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They started out with this as a notion, as a speculative idea. Now it has gotten to be a doctrine.

As a "sede-doubtist", there's not much to disagree with here; my criticism of SVism is precisely with regards to the lack of authority.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2015, 09:46:05 AM »

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They started out with this as a notion, as a speculative idea. Now it has gotten to be a doctrine.

As a "sede-doubtist", there's not much to disagree with here; my criticism of SVism is precisely with regards to the lack of authority.

Interested to hear your "lack of authority" criticism, as I've not heard it yet...

You just haven't visited the right threads. That's the fundamental problem addressed by what I have termed the "sede-doubtist" position, for which I have been making a case for a long time now here on CI. I'll try to recap at some point.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2015, 04:23:34 PM »

I consider the Siri thesis to be quite credible, although I haven't seen a shred of evidence to suggest that there's a continuing underground hierarchy after the death of Siri.