Author Topic: Fr. Wathen - "The Matter of Baptism of Desire" (Read 5708 times)

JoeZ · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2017, 09:26:30 PM »

Quote from: Prayerful

Thanks, my point was a little bit crudely done, but the sometimes subtle, sometimes crude meaning of BoD for those Cushingite Trads or Modernists who sneer 'Feeneyite' ends up by making the Church as Ark of Salvation something without meaning. That interpretation makes Catholicism pointless, a foolish burden. It ends with Universal Salvation, if its implications are worked through.

If I may,
the issue is even worse than Universal Salvation; it is entirely possible that the True Church is actually an impediment to salvation! Consider the dying "invincible ignorant" who is on his death bed. He's lived as a chaste Buddhist monk who "implicitly" desires baptism. If a Catholic missionary were to visit him now, he must reject his life long devil worship (Buddhism), concede that all of his past actions and thoughts have no merit in eternity, and submit to a Church who's head he has never even heard of. Alas for the poor man who was on his way to heaven but now, this stranger's words are too much for him and he's off to hell. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is an impediment to salvation! This is blasphemy!

God bless,
JoeZ

Gregory I · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2017, 10:14:15 PM »

Quote from: JoeZ

Quote from: Prayerful

Thanks, my point was a little bit crudely done, but the sometimes subtle, sometimes crude meaning of BoD for those Cushingite Trads or Modernists who sneer 'Feeneyite' ends up by making the Church as Ark of Salvation something without meaning. That interpretation makes Catholicism pointless, a foolish burden. It ends with Universal Salvation, if its implications are worked through.

If I may,
the issue is even worse than Universal Salvation; it is entirely possible that the True Church is actually an impediment to salvation! Consider the dying "invincible ignorant" who is on his death bed. He's lived as a chaste Buddhist monk who "implicitly" desires baptism. If a Catholic missionary were to visit him now, he must reject his life long devil worship (Buddhism), concede that all of his past actions and thoughts have no merit in eternity, and submit to a Church who's head he has never even heard of. Alas for the poor man who was on his way to heaven but now, this stranger's words are too much for him and he's off to hell. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is an impediment to salvation! This is blasphemy!

God bless,
JoeZ

See, that very real response from within the heart of the monk is actually a sign of reprobation, because those who are of the truth hear his voice.

The Cushingites say with Christ, "Other Sheep I have that are not of this fold." And then silence the Catholics who say, "Them also must I gather; and there will be one fold and one shepherd."

Stubborn · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2017, 05:25:22 AM »

Quote from: JoeZ

Quote from: Prayerful

Thanks, my point was a little bit crudely done, but the sometimes subtle, sometimes crude meaning of BoD for those Cushingite Trads or Modernists who sneer 'Feeneyite' ends up by making the Church as Ark of Salvation something without meaning. That interpretation makes Catholicism pointless, a foolish burden. It ends with Universal Salvation, if its implications are worked through.

If I may,
the issue is even worse than Universal Salvation; it is entirely possible that the True Church is actually an impediment to salvation! Consider the dying "invincible ignorant" who is on his death bed. He's lived as a chaste Buddhist monk who "implicitly" desires baptism. If a Catholic missionary were to visit him now, he must reject his life long devil worship (Buddhism), concede that all of his past actions and thoughts have no merit in eternity, and submit to a Church who's head he has never even heard of. Alas for the poor man who was on his way to heaven but now, this stranger's words are too much for him and he's off to hell. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is an impediment to salvation! This is blasphemy!

God bless,
JoeZ

This! :applause:

Stubborn · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2017, 05:28:13 AM »

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Quote from: BumphreyHogart

Apparently you don't even know what "in spite of" means. Go look it up.

Of course I do, who are you trying to be now? Cill Blinton

He was saved in spite of his ignorance. Period! That is what you are saying.

BH loves changing the meaning of words, it's his thing, it's what he does.

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2017, 05:20:09 PM »

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Quote from: GJC
Quote from: BumphreyHogart

Apparently you don't even know what "in spite of" means. Go look it up.

Of course I do, who are you trying to be now? Cill Blinton

He was saved in spite of his ignorance. Period! That is what you are saying.

BH loves changing the meaning of words, it's his thing, it's what he does.

Is that what you really perceived multiple times? You didn't mention it before. I know why; because you know if you brought it up I would easily show you your failure to perceive correctly. It's what you do.