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So Fr Feeney took John 3:5 literally ? If yes, that, and the fact he was not required to retract his position, leaves the door open to take either position ?

That is because "Pope" Paul VI "absolved” Father Feeney from excommunication without requiring him to retract his position.  The Novus Ordo is a smorgasbord of falsehood.

Ok, that makes sense.

So BoD is possible, but not in the way some use it to promote false ecuмenism ? I'm just seeing a lot of people on CA saying Buddists and Muslims can be saved. That's a bit much isn't it ?

If a Muslim rejects the Divinity of Christ, how can he be saved ?

Again just trying to solidify my own understanding. You have pretty much drug me off the path of embracing cut and dried Feeneyism.

So BoD is possible, but not in the way some use it to promote false ecuмenism ?

Some falsely believe that the doctrines of Baptism of Desire and Blood teach that there is in fact salvation outside the Church.

I'm just seeing a lot of people on CA saying Buddists and Muslims can be saved. That's a bit much isn't it ?

Some believe that supernatural faith is possible by merely believing

1) God exists

2) God will reward the just and punish the wicked

The more common teaching is that the doctrines of the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation need to be believed explicitly, everything else, an implicit belief suffices.

If a Muslim rejects the Divinity of Christ, how can he be saved ?

He can't.

Quote from: Charles

So BoD is possible, but not in the way some use it to promote false ecuмenism ?

Some falsely believe that the doctrines of Baptism of Desire and Blood teach that there is in fact salvation outside the Church.

Quote from: Charles

I'm just seeing a lot of people on CA saying Buddists and Muslims can be saved. That's a bit much isn't it ?

Some believe that supernatural faith is possible by merely believing

1) God exists

2) God will reward the just and punish the wicked

The more common teaching is that the doctrines of the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation need to be believed explicitly, everything else, an implicit belief suffices.

Quote from: Charles

If a Muslim rejects the Divinity of Christ, how can he be saved ?

He can't.

Ok, thank you. I think I'm ok in understanding it now. The NO is poison.

roscoe,

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Myrna cannot bring herself to declare the v2 anti-popes but she still thinks Fr GWS popes were.

Roscoe, please get it right about what I believe which is that the VII "popes" in my opinion, are NOpope not even anti popes.  Your note above makes it sound like I believe the VII "popes" are some sort of pope figure.  Wrong!  That is not what I believe.  I am sedevacantist, remember.  

Blessings to you roscoe.  

GWS, only one man at a time could possible be the pope and Catholics didn't know at that time for sure which one, is what I was taught and what I believe.  PURE AND SIMPLE!  

roscoe with all due respect, why do you even care what I believe, you keep on and on about what I believe.

It is my understanding the  anti-popes during the GWS were at least Catholic, and that is why they share the word pope, the NO "pope" I BELIEVE  are not Catholic, thus they can't be any kind of pope, in my opinion.  

I guess what I am trying to say to you, if you are going to post what I believe, at least get it correct.  

roscoe, I don't have a dog in this fight, but you can have fun over on wikipedia demanding citations  

Louis Card. Billot, Tractatus de Ecclesia Christi (Romae, 1927), v. 1, p. 296-298.

Billot: Thesis XI. "Although the character of baptism is sufficient of  itself to incorporate a man into the true Catholic Church, nevertheless it requires in adults a twofold condition for this effect. The first condition is that the social bond of unity of  faith not be impeded by formal or even merely material heresy. Nevertheless, because this impediment is brought in only by that heresy which passes into open profession, it must be said that only notorious heretics are excluded from the body of the Church.

"Now, heretics are divided into formal and material. Formal heretics are those to whom the authority of the Church is sufficiently known; material, those who labor under invincible ignorance concerning the Church herself, and choose in good faith another rule for their guide. Heresy therefore is not imputed to material heretics as sin, nor, furthermore, is there necessarily a lack of that supernatural faith which is the beginning and root of all justification. For perhaps they explicitly believe the principal articles, and believe the rest not explicitly but implicitly, by the disposition of mind and the good will of adhering to all those things which would be sufficiently proposed to them as revealed by God. Furthermore, they can still belong in voto to the body of the Church, and have the other conditions required for salvation. Nevertheless, so far as pertains to the real incorporation in the visible Church of Christ presently being treated, the thesis places no distinction between formal or material heretics, understanding everything according to the notion of materal heresy just explained, which is also the only proper and genuine notion. For if by a material heretic you meant one who, professing that in matters of faith he depends on the Magisterium of the Church, but still denies something defined by the Church which he does not know has been defined, or holds an opinion opposed to Catholic doctrine for the reason that he thinks that it is taught by the Church, it would in this case be absurd to posit that material heretics are outside the body of the true Church, and in addition, in this way, the legitimate meaning of the word would be completely overturned. For only then is it said that there is material sin, when the things that belong to the definition of such a sin are materially posited, but excluding reflection or deliberate volition. Now, what pertains to the definition of heresy is the departure from the rule of the ecclesiastical Magisterium, which in this case is not present, because it is a simple error of fact concerning that which the rule dictates. And therefore, there can be no place even materially for heresy."

So far there is no answer from Myrna re: Fr Radecki, Templars and Clement V.