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Fr. Leonard Feeney - Who is he what did he teach?
« Reply #195 on: October 16, 2010, 02:28:11 PM »
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    Myrna cannot bring herself to declare the v2 anti-popes but she still thinks Fr GWS popes were.


    Roscoe, please get it right about what I believe which is that the VII "popes" in my opinion, are NOpope not even anti popes.  Your note above makes it sound like I believe the VII "popes" are some sort of pope figure.  Wrong!  That is not what I believe.  I am sedevacantist, remember.  

    Blessings to you roscoe.  

    GWS, only one man at a time could possible be the pope and Catholics didn't know at that time for sure which one, is what I was taught and what I believe.  PURE AND SIMPLE!  



    roscoe with all due respect, why do you even care what I believe, you keep on and on about what I believe.

    It is my understanding the  anti-popes during the GWS were at least Catholic, and that is why they share the word pope, the NO "pope" I BELIEVE  are not Catholic, thus they can't be any kind of pope, in my opinion.  

    I guess what I am trying to say to you, if you are going to post what I believe, at least get it correct.  



    No anti-pope is Catholic really. That's partly why they call them anti-popes. Similar thing with the term "Anti-Christ".


    I suppose it depends on your position, although we all share the same Faith, we differ on who, what and where.  

    Now a Sedevacantist does not believe that the novus ordo is The Catholic Church, therefore any man sitting in the throne can't be an anti-pope, because an anti-pope upsurps the Church and since Vatican II is not the Church therefore, they can't be anti-popes but are just men.  Now if a man began saying he was pope of the Lutheran chuch, you wouldn't call him an anti-pope would you?  NO! In order to be an anti-pope you would have to upsurp the True Church and we all know the Lutheran is just a man made church, as is Vatican II.  

    The reason I agree that the men who claim to be popes during the GWS are anti-popes; because at least they had the Faith, Catholic Faith.  Even Saints came out of all the different groups, while they did not agree who was the true pope.  

    Well that is the way I understand all that about the pope stuff, according to my point of view, FWIW.  

    roscoe, I have been reading your papal bulls, very interesting stuff, thanks again.   Haven't finished yet.


    Really any Traditional Catholic, sede or not, realizes that the NO is NOT part of The Catholic Church, and is instead part of the counterfit church. Of course, I'm a bit confused here. You say that all "Popes" of the counterfit Church aren't Popes or anti-popes but are just men. Yet why do you think Benedict XVI is anti-pope? Just curious. Personally, I believe that our Popes kind of run both Churches, mostly the counterfit church. The true Catholic Church they just vistit or look upon every once in a while. That being said, if we were to have an anti-pope, he would indeed be an anti-pope and not just a man, if that makes any sense.


    SpiritusSanctus,

    So you believe that the Vicar of Christ, Head of the Catholic Church is also the head of another Church?


    Sort of. I know it's a very hard thing to understand, and I myself sometimes can't explain it very easily. One might say that the only point in which the seat of Peter was empty was during the reign of Paul VI. Not to call him an anti-pope because I can't call him one without knowing for sure, but at the time it was as if Archbishop LeFebvre was running the true Church since he was keeping it alive. Paul VI certainly didn't want it to remain intact. Benedict is trying to merge these two Churches together. So Benedict seems to be going back and forth between the two Churches.


    Benedict is trying to merge the diabolic church and the True Church together?!   Sorry, but that does not sound right to me.  


    Have you noticed that lately these Pontifical High Masses have been a mix of the TLM and Novus Ordo? Well, there you go. He's trying to combine the two Masses together, and since each Mass represents its own Church (TLM representing the true Church, and NO the counterfit church) then Benedict is infact trying to merge the two Churches.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    Fr. Leonard Feeney - Who is he what did he teach?
    « Reply #196 on: October 16, 2010, 02:30:38 PM »
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    My belief is this-- Gregory XVII was True pope( for better or for worse) until he died in 1989. NO OTHER CARDINAL FROM 1958 OR EVEN 1963 CAN MAKE THE CLAIM TO BEING LEGALLY ELECTED.

    I do not know exactly what has happened since then but my institution tells me that there is a True pope somewhere.


    The Church has said, "A doubtful pope is NO pope"

    All I can say is, it is times like this when I read all this confusion, that I, a Roman Catholic, am happy that I understand the sedevacantist position, and furthermore
    I doubt the SSPX teach what SS replied.


    Ask 10 SSPX priests, atleast 9 of them will say there is either a Pope or anti-pope, no in-between. Just like a person is either for God or for the devil, no in-between.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #197 on: October 16, 2010, 02:33:18 PM »
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  • RC, if you read my post again you'll see that I did not actually say ABL ran the Church, I said it was as if he did. I do know for certain that if there were two Paul VI's (which there probably were just by looking at the pictures), then the second Paul VI was indeed an anti-pope, perhaps the original one as well.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #198 on: October 16, 2010, 04:15:16 PM »
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  • Myrna-- if it is correct that i never gave you links to the Bulls( not 'encyclicals') of Clement V, then why did say that I did so?-- U have not apologised. If U have found them, pls post the links so that we are all reading the same thing. Are they in French, Latin or English?
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    « Reply #199 on: October 16, 2010, 04:22:18 PM »
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  • It must be kind of difficult to 'post' the Council of Constance but pls quote the relevant section of whatever docuмent U are referring to  where it says that a 'doubtful pope is not pope at all.

    Re: Fr Radecki-- I did try and contact him a number of yrs ago but he is not interested in talking to me. I think it has something to do with moi trying to bring MK Ultra and Bohemian Grove to his attention.

    I am not surprised because he( along with Fr Laux and SSPX) is in defiance of the infallible Bulls( not encyclicals) of Clement V that condemn Templars-- the orig MK Ultra conspiracy.
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    « Reply #200 on: October 16, 2010, 04:25:09 PM »
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  • Neither the Council of Constance nor any other council or Pope has declared the Fr Popes of GWS as anti-popes-- or even alleged 'catholic" anti-popes( if there even is such a thing).
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    « Reply #201 on: October 16, 2010, 05:25:40 PM »
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  • roscoe, I apologize for posting the world "link" instead of names, feel better now?

    Try reading Session 39 to see if your pope Gregory XVII does not fit the doubtful pope,  (Council of Constance)

    There are other Sessions there too you should read. Along with these words of wisdom.
     cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio, 1559

    “Further, if ever it should appear that any bishop (even one acting as an archbishop, patriarch or primate), or a cardinal of the Roman Church, or a legate (as mentioned above), or even the Roman Pontiff (whether prior to his promotion to cardinal, or prior to his election as Roman Pontiff), has beforehand deviated from the Catholic faith or fallen into any heresy, We enact, decree, determine and define:

    — “Such promotion or election in and of itself, even with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the cardinals, shall be null, legally invalid and void.

    — “It shall not be possible for such a promotion or election to be deemed valid or to be valid, neither through reception of office, consecration, subsequent administration, or possession, nor even through the putative enthronement of a Roman Pontiff himself, together with the veneration and obedience accorded him by all.

    — “Such promotion or election, shall not through any lapse of tune in the foregoing situation, be considered even partially legitimate in any way . . .

    — “Each and all of the words, as acts, laws, appointments of those so promoted or elected —and indeed, whatsoever flows therefrom — shall be lacking in force, and shall grant no stability and legal power to anyone whatsoever.

    — “Those so promoted or elected, by that very fact and without the need to make any further declaration, shall be deprived of any dignity, position, honor, title, authority, office and power.”

    Coronata — Institutions Juris Canonici, 1950

    “Appointment to the Office of the Primacy.

    1. What is required by divine law for this appointment . . . Also required for validity is that the one elected be a member of the Church; hence, heretics and apostates (at least public ones) are excluded. . . ”

    “It cannot be proven however that the Roman Pontiff, as a private teacher, cannot become a heretic — if, for example, he would contumaciously deny a previously defined dogma. Such impeccability was never promised by God. Indeed, Pope Innocent III expressly admits such a case is possible.

    “If indeed such a situation would happen, he [the Roman Pontiff] would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one. He who openly professes heresy places himself outside the Church, and it is not likely that Christ would preserve the Primacy of His Church in one so unworthy. Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence (which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.”

    Marato — Institutions Juris Canonici, 1921

    “Heretics and schismatics are barred from the Supreme Pontificate by the Divine Law itself, because, although by divine law they are not considered incapable of participating in a certain type of ecclesiastical jurisdiction, nevertheless, they must certainly be regarded as excluded from occupying the throne of the Apostolic See, which is the infallible teacher of the truth of the faith and the center of ecclesiastical unity.”

    Billot — De Ecclesia, 1927

    “Given, therefore, the hypothesis of a pope who would become notoriously heretical, one must concede without hesitation that he would by that very fact lose the pontifical power, insofar as, having become an unbeliever, he would by his own will be cast outside the body of the Church.”

    CANON 6.6

    All former disciplinary laws which were in force until now, and are neither explicitly nor implicitly contained in the Code, shall be regarded as having lost all force, unless they are found in the approved liturgical books, or they are laws derived from the natural and the positive divine law.

    A. Dorsch — Institutions Theologiae Fundamentalis, 1928

    “The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, or even for many years, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state . . .

    “Thus the Church is then indeed a headless body . . . Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way —that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not . . .

    “For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died —for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate.

    “These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary” (De Ecclesia 2:196-7).

    Fr. Edward J. O’Reilly, S.J. — The Relations of the Church to Society, 1882

    “We may here stop to inquire what is to be said of the position, at that time, of the three claimants, and their rights with regard to the Papacy. In the first place, there was all throughout, from the death of Gregory XI in 1378, a Pope —with the exception, of course, of the intervals between deaths and elections to fill up the vacancies thereby created. There was, I say, at every given time a Pope, really invested with the dignity of vicar of Christ and Head of the Church, whatever opinions might exist among many as to his genuineness; not that an interregnum covering the whole period would have been impossible or inconsistent with the promises of Christ, for this is by no means manifest, but that, as a matter of fact, there was not such an interregnum.”

    Msgr. Charles Journet, The Church of the Incarnate Word

    B. The Church During a Vacancy of the Holy See

    We must not think of the church, when the Pope is dead, as possessing the papal power in act, in a state of diffusion, so that she herself can delegate it to the next Pope in whom it will be recondensed and made definite. When the Pope dies the Church is widowed, and, in respect of the visible universal jurisdiction, she is truly acephalous.* ‘But she is not acephalous as are the schismatic Churches, nor like a body on the way to decomposition. Christ directs her from heaven .. . But, though slowed down, the pulse of life has not left the Church; she possesses the power of the Papacy in potency, in the sense that Christ, who has willed her always to depend on a visible pastor, has given her power to designate the man to who He will Himself commit the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, as once He committed them to Peter.

    *During a vacancy of the Apostolic See, says Cajetan, the universal Church is in an imperfect state; she is like an amputated body, not an integral body. “The Church is acephalous, deprived of her highest part and power.”

    Msgr. Journet — The Church of the Incarnate Word

    “During a vacancy of the Apostolic See, neither the Church nor the Council can contravene the provisions already laid down to determine the valid mode of election (Cardinal Cajetan, O.P., in De Comparata, cap. xiii, no. 202). However, in case of permission (for example if the Pope has provided nothing against it), or in case of ambiguity (for example, if it is unknown who the true Cardinals are or who the true Pope is, as was the case at the time of the Great Schism), the power ‘of applying the Papacy to such and such a person’ devolves on the universal Church, the Church of God.”

    Cajetan, O. P. — De Comparatione Autoritatis Papae et Concilii

    “. . . by exception and by suppletory manner this power (that of electing a pope), corresponds to the Church and to the Council, either by the inexistence of Cardinal Electors, or because they are doubtful, or the election itself is uncertain, as it happens at the time of a schism.”

    Billot — De Ecclesia Christi

    “When it would be necessary to proceed with the election, if it is impossible to follow the regulations of papal law, as was the case during the Great Western Schism, one can accept, without difficulty, that the power of election could be transferred to a General Council.”

    “Because ‘natural law prescribes that, in such cases, the power of a Superior is passed to the immediate inferior, because this is absolutely necessary for the survival of the society and to avoid the tribulations of extreme need.”

    Vitoria — De Potestate Ecclesiae

    “Even if St. Peter would have not determined anything, once he was dead, the Church had the power to substitute him and appoint a successor to him... If by any calamity, war or plague, all Cardinals would be lacking, we cannot doubt that the Church could provide for herself a Holy Father.

    “Hence such an election; ‘a tota Ecclesia debet provideri et non ab aliqua partuculari Ecclesia.’ (“It should be carried by all the Church and not by any particular Church.”) And this is because “Ilia potestas est communis et spectat ad totam Ecclesiam. Ergo a tata Ecclesia debet provideri.’” (“That power is common and it concerns the whole Church. So it must be the duty of the whole Church.”)

    Cajetan:

    “Immediately, one ought to resists in facie, a pope who is publicly destroying the Church; for example, to want to give ecclesiastical benefits for money or charge of services. And one ought to refuse, with all obedience and respect, and not to give possession of these benefits to those who bought them.”

    Silvestra:

    “What is there to do when the pope wishes without reason to abrogate the positive right order? To this he responds, ‘He certainly sins; one ought not to permit him to proceed thus, nor ought one to obey him in what is bad; one ought to resist him with a polite reprehension. In consequence, if he wished to deliver all the treasures of the Church and the patrimony of St. Peter to his parents; if he was left to destroy the Church or in similar works, one ought not to permit him to work in this form, having the obligation of giving him resistance. And the reason for this is, in these matters he has no right to destroy. Immediately evident of what he is doing, it is licit to resist him. Of all this it results that, if the pope, by his order or his acts, destroys the Church, one can resist and impede the execution of his commands.’”

    Suarez:

    “If the pope gave an order contrary to the good customs, one should not obey him; if his intent is to do something manifestly opposed to justice and the common good, it is lawful and valid to resist; if attacked by force, one shall be able to resist with force, with the moderation appropriate to a just defense.”

    St. Robert Bellarmine:

    “Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff that attacks the body, it is also licit to resist (him) who attacks the soul, or who disturbs the civil order, or, above all, he who intends to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of that which he wills. It is not licit, with everything, to judge him impose a punishment, or depose him, for these actions are accorded to one superior to the pope.”

    St. Francis de Sales:

    “Now when the Pope is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church . . . ”

    St. Robert Bellarmine:

    “A Pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be a Pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”

    St. Alphonsus Liguori:

    “If ever a Pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he should at once fall from the Pontificate. If, however, God were to permit a pope to become a notorious and contumacious heretic, he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.”

    St. Antoninus:

    “In the case in which the Pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that very fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off.”

    Wernz-Vidal — Canon Law, 1943

    “Through notorious and openly divulged heresy, the Roman Pontiff, should he fall into heresy, by that very fact (ipso facto) is deemed to be deprived of the power of jurisdiction even before any declaratory judgment by the Church... A Pope who falls into public heresy would cease ipso facto to be a member of the Church; therefore, he would also cease to be head of the Church.” And also: “A doubtful pope is no pope.”

    Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913

    “The Pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be Pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”

    Pope Innocent III:

    “The Pope should not flatter himself about his power nor should he rashly glory in his honor and high estate, because the less he is judged by man, the more he is judged by God. Still the less can the Roman Pontiff glory because he can be judged by men, or rather, can be shown to be already judged, if for example he should wither away into heresy; because he who does not believe is already judged, In such a case it should be said of him: ‘If salt should lose its savor, it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under foot by men.’”

    Matthaeus Conte a Coronata — Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1950

    “If indeed such a situation would happen, he (the Roman Pontiff) would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one. He who openly professes heresy places himself outside the Church, and it is not likely that Christ would preserve the Primacy of His Church in one so unworthy. Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence (which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.”

    A. Vermeersch — Epitome Iuris Canonici, 1949

    “At least according to the more common teaching; the Roman Pontiff as a private teacher can fall into manifest heresy. Then, without any declaratory sentence (for the Supreme See is judged by no one), he would automatically (ipso facto) fall from power which he who is no longer a member of the Church is unable to possess.”

    Edward F. Regatillo — Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1956

    “‘The pope loses office ipso facto because of public heresy.’ This is the more common teaching, because a pope would not be a member of the Church, and hence far less could he be its head.”

    Look up this too, found it while I was googling the "names" you gave me. "Chinon Parchment"

    CHINON PARCHMENT "CLEARS" TEMPLARS OF HERESY

    BTW MK Ultra..... what in the world is that?
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    « Reply #202 on: October 16, 2010, 05:57:57 PM »
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  • I will comment on this and on the 'Chinon Parchment"( does this docuмent supplant or recind the Bulls of Clement V?) when U post it. Pls post 'Chinon Parchement'

    The 8 Bulls of Clement V condemning Templars are Infallible

    U claim to have found ( and read) the bulls of Clement V re: Templars. Are they in Latin, French or English?--- pls post link
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    « Reply #203 on: October 16, 2010, 06:00:52 PM »
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  • What is MK Ultra??-- U are MK Ultra

    If U are claiming that Gregory XVII lost his office, pls post why U have reached that conclusion.

    Do U accept or deny that he was legally elected in either 1958 or 1963?

    Why have U referred to the Infallible Bulls of Clement V as 'encyclicals'? Could it be because Encyclicals do not carry the Infallibility of Bulls?
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    « Reply #204 on: October 16, 2010, 06:07:35 PM »
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  • What is happening here Myrna is that Fr Radecki, Fr Laux, SSPX and yourself are in defiance of the Infallible Bulls of a True Pope. Are u going to attempt to claim that Clem V lost his office?

    Forget about Marozia-- it seems as if we have the first female Pope here at Cathinfo, Or more properly anti-pope Myrna 1
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    « Reply #205 on: October 16, 2010, 06:36:07 PM »
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  • Unless I am mistaken, Myrna has complained when the light of truth shone on Dolan and Cekada. It is therefore not surprising to see that Templars are defended
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    « Reply #206 on: October 16, 2010, 08:43:51 PM »
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    What is happening here Myrna is that Fr Radecki, Fr Laux, SSPX and yourself are in defiance of the Infallible Bulls of a True Pope. Are u going to attempt to claim that Clem V lost his office?

    Forget about Marozia-- it seems as if we have the first female Pope here at Cathinfo, Or more properly anti-pope Myrna 1


    The SSPX shouldn't be on that list of those who are in defiance.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #207 on: October 16, 2010, 09:12:20 PM »
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  • Scroll down for a review of recent SSPX book claiming Templars are innocent

    http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com
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    « Reply #208 on: October 16, 2010, 09:49:31 PM »
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  • roscoe, you are not worth my time anymore, you can put me on ignore because I am certainly going to put you on ignore, before I say something I have to apologize for.  
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    RC, if you read my post again you'll see that I did not actually say ABL ran the Church, I said it was as if he did. I do know for certain that if there were two Paul VI's (which there probably were just by looking at the pictures), then the second Paul VI was indeed an anti-pope, perhaps the original one as well.


    Why would the spooks need to put a fake in place if Montini was an anti-pope?

    And since Montini was such a horrible Modernist before his "papacy" why the need for a fake?

    Also you say you know for certain. How can you know for certain?

    You have probably seen some material pushing the fake-Paul VI story, and you believe it to be true.