Author Topic: Fr. Leonard Feeney - Who is he what did he teach? (Read 25084 times)

MaterLaeta · « **on:** October 09, 2010, 10:38:13 PM »

I just happened across a book titled "Survival til Seventeen" which appears to be an autobiography of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

I have heard his name in passing here & on FE. I was wondering if someone could give me a relible source on who he was, what he taught & what the Boston heresy case was all about.

I know this is all involved in EENS which has been one of the most hotly contested topics on most boards. No one seems to agree on interpretation of EENS. How can I find a reliable source of what the church really teaches?

roscoe · « **Reply #1 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:08:28 PM »

There is a book one can purchase at addall-- After Boston Heresy Case by G Potter. There is a good summation of prev events and much more.

trad123 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:11:54 PM »

Fr. Feeney denied the doctrines of Baptism of Desire and Blood.

From one of his books:

http://www.aryanunion.org/other/bread/bread7.html

Bread of Life, Chapter 7:

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Q. What. does "Baptism of Desire" mean?
A. It means the belief in the necessity of Baptism of Water for salvation, and a full intent to receive it.

Q. Can "Baptism of Desire" save you?
A. Never.

Q. Could "Baptism of Desire" save you if you really believed it could?
A. It could not.

Q. Could it possibly suffice for you to pass into a state of justification?
A. It could.

Q. If you got into the state of justification with the aid of "Baptism of Desire," and then failed to receive Baptism of Water, could you be saved?
A. Never.

A justified man according to Fr. Feeney who died without water Baptism could not be saved.

What the Church teaches:

http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Baptism_of_Desire.html

trad123 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:19:06 PM »

From the Catechism of the Council of Trent, which was not included in the link:

Page 124-125

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On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

trad123 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:21:36 PM »

The main point is that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. In certain circuмstances it is possible for someone who has reached the age of reason to receive the effects of Baptism without having received the Sacrament of Baptism.

MaterLaeta · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:36:24 PM »

What about an infant that was miscarried? If she was stillborn at 20 weeks, with no sign of life?

I had intended to baptize her when she was born, like all of ther siblings?

trad123 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 09, 2010, 11:38:32 PM »

Take a look at this thread:

Consolation to those who suffered a miscarriage

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Consolation-to-those-who-suffered-a-miscarriage

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2010, 01:00:41 AM »

Another confusing tangent of BoD is-- what about the people in this world( in the deepest parts of Amazon, Africa and elsewhere today) who have no idea that there even is such a thing as the Roman Church-- much less a conception or her Doctrines or even less of the necessity to adhere to them?

Not being a priest or theologian, the important thing to me re : the Fr Feeney case is that the docuмents used to allegedly ex-communicate or summon him to Rome are fraudulent. An action such as this could be understood coming from the v2 anti-church but not The Vatican of Pius XII(XIII). Acc to Ms Martinez, Pacelli was quite the close, personal student of Rampolla-- and this-- from her--at least I believe.

I have tried to troll for a discussion of this book numerous times but the silence is deefening.

trad123 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2010, 01:58:59 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

Another confusing tangent of BoD is-- what about the people in this world( in the deepest parts of Amazon, Africa and elsewhere today) who have no idea that there even is such a thing as the Roman Church-- much less a conception or her Doctrines or even less of the necessity to adhere to them?

http://dhspriory.org/thomas/QDdeVer14.htm#11

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Answers to Difficulties

1. Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance. Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius (Acts 10:20).

It's reasonable to think that this would also apply to pagans.

Quote from: roscoe

Not being a priest or theologian, the important thing to me re : the Fr Feeney case is that the docuмents used to allegedly ex-communicate or summon him to Rome are fraudulent.

About his excommunication I've only read this:

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=1&catname=2

Quote from: roscoe

I have tried to troll for a discussion of this book numerous times but the silence is deefening.

If you have a link to the book online or if you could quote from it that would be helpful, but I have no plans to purchase something like that.

trad123 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2010, 02:05:25 AM »

Quote from: trad123

It's reasonable to think that this would also apply to pagans.

If they don't happen to receive this interior light or the arrival of a preacher then its on account of their sins.

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2 Corinthians 4:3-4 And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

anonymouse · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2010, 03:48:32 PM »

The truth!

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2010, 04:44:02 PM »

About his excommunication I've only read this:

http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=1&catname=2

Quote from: roscoe

I have tried to troll for a discussion of this book numerous times but the silence is deefening.

If you have a link to the book online or if you could quote from it that would be helpful, but I have no plans to purchase something like that. [/quote]

The book is worth reading as a jurist-- one must evaluate all sides of an issue b4 rendering a verdict.

Re: The SGG opinion that the ex-communication of Fr Feeney was valid--I would consider the source.

Alexandria · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2010, 12:35:40 PM »

I like Fr. Leonard Feeney very much, and I think it is horrid the way he is vilified. In fact, the ONLY thing the sedes, SSPX, and the novus ordo people are united on is their intense dislike of Fr. Feeney.

He was right on about much and saw where it all was heading. One of the best things he ever wrote was a little squib in his magazine "The Point" about, what he called, "pious frauds".

On the other hand, it is my opinion that he was manipulated by certain members of his St. Benedict's Center. Why he listened to them, I do not know. He should have gone to Holy Cross College when he was transferred, and he should have gone to the Vatican when they called for him.

That and $2.95 will get you a gallon of gasoline.

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2010, 01:24:32 PM »

Quote from: trad123

The main point is that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. In certain circuмstances it is possible for someone who has reached the age of reason to receive the effects of Baptism without having received the Sacrament of Baptism.

if water baptism is "absolutely necessary for salvation", then how could one not getting wet receive any effects of baptism...2 contradictory statements.....you either are baptised or are not......

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2010, 02:01:23 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

I like Fr. Leonard Feeney very much, and I think it is horrid the way he is vilified. In fact, the ONLY thing the sedes, SSPX, and the novus ordo people are united on is their intense dislike of Fr. Feeney.

He was right on about much and saw where it all was heading. One of the best things he ever wrote was a little squib in his magazine "The Point" about, what he called, "pious frauds".

On the other hand, it is my opinion that he was manipulated by certain members of his St. Benedict's Center. Why he listened to them, I do not know. He should have gone to Holy Cross College when he was transferred, and he should have gone to the Vatican when they called for him.

That and $2.95 will get you a gallon of gasoline.

It is not only SSPX, 'Sedes' and NO that vilify Fr Feeney but Hobson at TCW also seems to dislike him. I am a Sirite as well but hold Fr Feeney in high esteem.

The paper allegedly calling Fr Feeney to Rome is as fraudulent as that which claims to ex-communicate or censor him. If he recognised the v2 and the anti-popes, this is excusable yrs ago when things were not clear imo