Author Topic: Fr. hαɾɾιson corrects The Wanderer for their misinterpretation of EENS (Read 24896 times)

Tradycja · « **on:** February 20, 2011, 07:34:24 PM »

The following is a scan from the current issue of the Wanderer (Vol 143, No.7- Feb 17, 2011) in which Fr. hαɾɾιson corrects them for their misinterpretation of Cantate Domino.

I have not seen the previous issue with the Wanderer article where they contradict Cantate Domino. If you have it please let me know. I would like to get my hands on it.

Jehanne · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:18:56 PM »

Excellent article. However, pagans, even those who are completely inculpable of hearing the Gospel, will be damned on account of original sin. This is why it is de fide that the sole and only means of salvation for infants and children who die before the age of reason is sacramental Baptism. Saint Thomas was quite explicit about the absolute necessity of explicit faith in Jesus Christ, in particular, the 14 Articles of Faith that comprise the Apostle's Creed.

None of this, IMHO, contradicts what Father Feeney taught who said,

"There is no one about to die in the state of justification whom God cannot secure Baptism for, and indeed, Baptism of Water." (Bread of Life, page 56)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2011, 10:29:51 PM »

BroMo over at CAF says Council of Florence only applied to Catholics, so there you go. Problem solved. Indians are saved. :turban:

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:12:43 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

BroMo over at CAF says Council of Florence only applied to Catholics, so there you go. Problem solved. Indians are saved. :turban:

Listening to those people you would think only Traditional Catholics go to hell.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2011, 06:12:38 PM »

Jehanne said:

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However, pagans, even those who are completely inculpable of hearing the Gospel, will be damned on account of original sin.

I have joined the dark side, so here goes --

Theology has moved on past St. Thomas, just as St. Thomas moved on past St. Augustine. This doesn't mean there are new revelations, but what was already revealed with the Apostles has been more fully explained.

Trying to "go back to Augustine" is a recipe for heresy, as was already seen with the Jansenists and the Protestants. Take it from someone who went down that route for a while ( wink ).

Theology doesn't add anything, it doesn't change, but it does become MORE CLEAR. Recall that no one was going around teaching "original sin" until Augustine, he came up with that term, but at the same time, proof of it is clearly in the Gospels. It just took God, using Augustine, to shed more light on it, centuries after the Apostles.

Tread carefully, since a Pope, Pius IX, has spoken of invincible ignorance in an encyclical, and by now it very well may be part of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. Very, very few theologians of the last two hundred years would have denied that it is possible for God to save someone with an IMPLICIT FAITH, despite invincible ignorance.

Apart from that, we can have our opinions. My opinion is that very, very few will be saved who have never heard the Gospel, it would be an extraordinary grace. I mean very, very, VERY few.

The last Doctor of the Church is St. Alphonsus, in my opinion, he is the one who must be our guide in this hazy, confusing jumbled modern world. I have prayed to him to help me avoid scruples and I believe he has been most effective.