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Offline Centroamerica

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 07:00:01 AM »
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    Why would the Holy Ghost fathers be in Africa?  Why was Arch. Lefebvre in Gabon?  Because Africans, yes the natives there, need the One True Church.  And they needed to be baptized with water.  Then they could advance to receiving the Bread of Life.  EENS and baptism of water drives the missionary life of the Church.  Indeed, it, of necessity, drives the Church in this world for all of us.  



    If your comment wishes to attribute feenyism to Archbishop Lefebvre, you should read the "Open Letter to Confused Catholics".
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    « Reply #16 on: November 19, 2015, 08:47:46 AM »
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    • No it doesn't, Centro.  It is saying that the so-called "Feeneyism" - the true application of the Church's EENS dogma - was driving that missionary work, though the Arch. may not have known it.  We all are quite aware that he never (publically at least) took Fr. Feeney's "cause" if it can be put that way - and that the SSPX pulls its holy garments away from the great unwashed of the "Feeneyites."  What is hard to understand is that despite what Our Lord said in the Gospel about the necessity of Water and the Holy Ghost, the dogmatic pronouncement of Trent on the necessity of water (check early, untouched Trent catechisms on that), the many people raised from the dead to be baptized, and incidents of miraculous water being provided for baptism - despite all this, people still go with the liberal interpretation of EENS and water, and/or the Modernists' attack on their necessity.  St. Thomas lived before the 2nd and 3rd definitions of EENS were pronounced.  He would not continue to hold his old BOB/BOD position(s) after that happened, being a good, careful Catholic.      
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    « Reply #17 on: November 19, 2015, 09:46:43 AM »
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    Why would the Holy Ghost fathers be in Africa?  Why was Arch. Lefebvre in Gabon?  Because Africans, yes the natives there, need the One True Church.  And they needed to be baptized with water.  Then they could advance to receiving the Bread of Life.  EENS and baptism of water drives the missionary life of the Church.  Indeed, it, of necessity, drives the Church in this world for all of us.  



    If your comment wishes to attribute feenyism to Archbishop Lefebvre, you should read the "Open Letter to Confused Catholics".


    You mean the part where he says that those outside the Church can be saved?

    I guess, then, by your definition, that Feeneyism refers to the belief that there's no salvation outside the Church.  Now, let me think, where have I heard the expression "no salvation outside the Church" before?

    Yup, I mus be one of tham thar Feeney hairetics cuz I beliefs that there be no saving outsod tha Church.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 10:42:23 AM »
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    • Feenyite bastards come here to talk crap about good priests because none of heretics are catholic.
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    « Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 10:53:58 AM »
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    • LOL
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    « Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 10:57:29 AM »
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    • Apparently, putting the heathens on the ignore list doesn't work.  The servants of satan are still able to come here and read my posts and mock my prayers and meditations and laugh at any attempt to save my soul as if they were some sort of cyber bullies.  Funny, they wouldn't be laughing like bullies if I showed up where they are with ropes and gasoline to send them to their master.
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    « Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 11:15:14 AM »
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    • ....just as certainly as there could have been no Redemption unless there had been the Incarnation; and there could have been no Resurrection without the sacrificial death of the Cross. The everlasting evidence of this divine action is and will always be recognized in the blessed Stigmata of the glorified Body of Christ, and in the "indelible marks" of these holy Sacraments, which are imprinted upon the souls of those who have received them, and which, incidentally, after the Final Judgment, will also be apparent in the bodies of both the saved and the damned. - Fr. Wathen

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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #22 on: November 19, 2015, 11:30:57 AM »
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    • Centroamerica - Is that YOUR statement:  "Feeneyites are fatherless bastards..." etc. ???

    May God forgive the author of it.
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    « Reply #23 on: November 19, 2015, 11:40:16 AM »
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    He was referring to the letter which was sent to Boston in 1949 "Protocol 122/49." (The letter was only published in 1953 by the Archdiocese of Boston' newsletter)


    Is it true that the 1949 Protocol 122/49 (I presume this is the infamous letter about Father Feeney) does not appear in the Acts of the Apostolic See?  I've heard this but I do not really know how to go about researching this alleged fact.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 19, 2015, 12:01:53 PM »
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    Apparently, putting the heathens on the ignore list doesn't work.  The servants of satan are still able to come here and read my posts and mock my prayers and meditations and laugh at any attempt to save my soul as if they were some sort of cyber bullies.  Funny, they wouldn't be laughing like bullies if I showed up where they are with ropes and gasoline to send them to their master.


     FEENYITES ARE FATHERLESS BASTARDS AND ARE NOT CATHOLIC.  THEY SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO SPREAD THEIR VENOM PUBLICLY.  THE BEST PLACE FOR THEM IS THE STAKE BECAUSE THEY ARE HARDENED HERETICS THAT WILL MOST LIKELY NEVER REPENT.  THE COMMON GOOD CALLS FOR THEIR BLOOD.


     Ni confies en tu propia sombra

     Dómine, quando véneris judicáre terram, ubi me abscóndam a vultu irae tuae?  Quia peccávi nimis in vita mea.  Commissa mea pavésco, et ante erubésco: dum véneris judicáre, noli me condemnáre.  Quia peccávi nimis in vita mea.

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    The above sounds like the spirit and verbiage one might find coming out of Boston, KY.  Say it ain't so.
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    « Reply #25 on: November 19, 2015, 12:08:32 PM »
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    He was referring to the letter which was sent to Boston in 1949 "Protocol 122/49." (The letter was only published in 1953 by the Archdiocese of Boston' newsletter)


    Is it true that the 1949 Protocol 122/49 (I presume this is the infamous letter about Father Feeney) does not appear in the Acts of the Apostolic See?  I've heard this but I do not really know how to go about researching this alleged fact.


    TKGS - The best thing you can do is look at the following link and read how it all played out.  The Center was very careful in presenting their account of how all this played out.  I don't know of any better account.

    https://hieronymopolis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/architects-of-confusion-scanned-by-hieronymopolis.pdf
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    « Reply #26 on: November 19, 2015, 12:10:54 PM »
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    He was referring to the letter which was sent to Boston in 1949 "Protocol 122/49." (The letter was only published in 1953 by the Archdiocese of Boston' newsletter)


    Is it true that the 1949 Protocol 122/49 (I presume this is the infamous letter about Father Feeney) does not appear in the Acts of the Apostolic See?  I've heard this but I do not really know how to go about researching this alleged fact.


    I believe it was added some years later but like you do not know, but either way, the validity of his excommunication has never been disputed, the reason he was excommunicated was for disobedience to his bishop, +Cushing, not for his defense of the thrice defined dogma.
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    « Reply #27 on: November 19, 2015, 12:15:14 PM »
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    • The validity of his "excommunication" was absolutely disputed.  You can't be excommunicated as a punishment for defense of dogma.

    Here is the account of it -

    https://hieronymopolis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/architects-of-confusion-scanned-by-hieronymopolis.pdf
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    « Reply #28 on: November 19, 2015, 12:23:07 PM »
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    The validity of his "excommunication" was absolutely disputed.  You can't be excommunicated as a punishment for defense of dogma.

    Here is the account of it -

    https://hieronymopolis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/architects-of-confusion-scanned-by-hieronymopolis.pdf


    You're right that you can't be excommunicated for defense of dogma - that's why the decree says he was excommunicated for disobedience. Fr. Feeney certainly was disobedient to +Cushing who wanted him to shut up about EENS.
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    « Reply #29 on: November 19, 2015, 01:33:58 PM »
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