Author Topic: Material Heresy? (Read 1068 times)

Cryptinox · « **on:** February 27, 2021, 10:20:07 PM »

Hello I am wondering how material heresy can exist in light of these statements.

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"Therefore it [the Holy Catholic Church] condemns, reproves, anathematizes, and declares to be outside the body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.” Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra Bull of Union with the Copts, Council of Florence (1442 A.D.)

The Vatican Council says the following on dogma

"Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding" (On Faith and Reason, 14).

The quote from Florence says nothing about obstinacy.

jerm · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2021, 11:58:15 PM »

At the very least, the idea of material heresy has never been condemned. Practically every Father who discusses the topic throughout the entirety of Church history has believed obstinacy is required to be a heretic.

St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and St. Cyril of Alexandria come to mind first as people who explicitly taught or explained heresy in this way. I am practically certain that St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Robert Bellarmine, and St. Alphonsus say so too. In fact, I'd be surprised if a single Father or Doctor of the Church ever taught the contrary.

jerm · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2021, 12:00:00 AM »

Actually, St. Cyril never taught it expressly in a tome, but his correspondence with Pope St. Celestine about Nestorius makes it incredibly clear that Nestorius had to be removed when his obstinacy was demonstrated. Both Cyril and Celestine completely agree.

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