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I find it most edifying that the vehement, crabby voice common to
the defenders of BoD comes out like "the claws of a hawk" as +W says.
They hurl accusations of "heresy!" against anyone and everyone based on
a doctrine that has never been defined, nor can it really ever be defined.
There will never be a dogmatic pronouncement on so-called baptism
of desire because it is entirely subjective, and no dogma is ever
subjective. The closest thing you'll ever see is an official pronouncement
that the term "baptism of desire" is to be abandoned by Catholics, due to
the enormously confusing consequence it engenders.
As for any priest who refuses to give Extreme Unction to a dying person
on the basis that they are lucid and say that they do not abjure their
personal opinion regarding a matter that has never been defined, and
cannot be defined, is a priest who is committing a grave sin himself.
By that standard, that is, "Believe that nobody needs the Sacrament of
Baptism but only a vague longing for something they don't understand,
or else you cannot have another Sacrament that I will only give to you
if you deny the need for Baptism," why would such a priest bother to
show up for Extreme Unction? Why not just e-mail him instead?
I have confessed to several priests who like to teach BoD, but never have
they made it a factor in providing me absolution. Is that what it means to
be a "heretic?" If it were all that important, wouldn't it become a point
that must be agreed to in Confession? Isn't it heresy to deny even ONE
dogma of the Faith? Why have I never heard of any priest, EVER, saying
that absolution will be withheld if the penitent doesn't believe in BoD?
Hmmm??? :scratchchin:
I have never met a priest who can adequately describe what it is, and
when I challenge them to define it, they go in circles and cannot. They
revert to EENS, which is really changing the subject.
They say, "There are 7 sacraments." They say "baptism of desire is
not a sacrament, nor is baptism of blood a sacrament." Then
they say, "There are three kinds of Baptism," and conveniently
forget all about how two of them are not baptism. Then they pray the
Nicene Creed, which is a list of dogmas the denial of any one of which
means one loses the Catholic Faith whole and entire, and they say,
"I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins..."
I find it so curious that this penchant to defend the indefensible is
shared by sedevacantists and equally by those who look down their
noses at sedevacantism as if it's some kind of spiritual AIDS, but when
you get on BoD, suddenly they're buddies dearest! But it doesn't last
long, since they're always (or so it seems) most comfortable being
someone's enemy, so they revert to attacking each other over the
validity of the recent Modernist Popes.
BoD freaks hurl insults equally at "Feeneyites" and "the Dimonds"
as if the two groups have anything to do with each other. I've never yet
met a Bros. Dimond groupie who is a Feeneyite or a Feeneyite who has
the least interest in the Dimonds.
This is like a 3-ring circus and the rings keep moving around.
It is principally the SSPX leadership that is wacko on BoD, because
the Resistance priests have much more important things to worry
about.
And the one thing the Menzingen-denizens DESIRE most, to
become recognized by their local bishop, whoever that is, is the very
thing that the Feeneyites have had for many, many years already, for
about as long as the SSPX has been in existence!
I wouldn't be too surprised if this BoD problem in the SSPX hierarchy
was one of the things that drove Fr. Hector Bolduc out of the Society.
Don't quote me on that, but he was, as a matter of FACT quite at
home in the St. Benedict Center of Richmond, New Hampshire with
his personal long-time friend, Brother Francis, M.I.C.M. I was sitting
right there when he preached his sermon saying that "It's so nice to
be back, here where everything is so familiar," and his arm made a
sweeping motion as if to indicate all things in all directions, both
people, furnishings and doctrine. There were about 100 people
present that day, and everyone was joyful to the core, I can assure
you!
That was Father Hector Bolduc, the one and only, close corroborrator
with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Anyone reading these BoD threads can see, where the ill will hides
and where the Christian charity shines.