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Offline MyrnaM

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« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2013, 07:22:44 PM »
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    Bull hunky ,,, Show me the docuмents of the Council of trent and Vat I

    Unless you can t because there arent any.  Which proves no Bod ??


    Looks like you will get your proof, when you get to heaven and see all the other saints there with the aid of BOD/BOB and water Baptism.  Till then...
    carry on!
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    « Reply #61 on: August 12, 2013, 07:24:26 PM »
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    Bull hunky ,,, Show me the docuмents of the Council of trent and Vat I

    Unless you can t because there arent any.  Which proves no Bod ??



    Show us the docuмent that says, whosoever believe in BOD is anathema.  
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    « Reply #62 on: August 12, 2013, 08:28:16 PM »
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  • Myrnam , your being silly,

    Its not what we want to believe that matters , its what the church teaches and we must believe.

    But Wait,, I ll go ask the Dimonds.  ??

    In the mean time , get into your nice confortable chair and get a big cup of hot tea.

    And by the way , 'Didn t I address that to SBJ ? ,, mmmm

    Have a nice nite..  :pop:

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    « Reply #63 on: August 12, 2013, 08:37:21 PM »
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    I would like to know who are the Feenyite priests.  I have heard that there are some.  
    I cant imagine that any traditional bishop today would ordain a man to the priesthood who holds these heretical beliefs. Did they become Feenyite after ordination?


    I find that pretty easiy to imagine.
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    « Reply #64 on: August 12, 2013, 08:41:01 PM »
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    If you Feenyites cant name priests who support your views, then you certainly are in trouble!


    Good heavens - where are you trying to go with this?

    Why not ask about all the conciliar priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and - lets not forget about the conciliar popes - who have pretty much nothing else whatsoever in common with the true faith except they all also believe the sacrament is unnecessary for salvation. Do you suppose that you are in good company?









     I want to know who  the legitimately ordained priests are who subscribe to the Feenyite Heresy.  


     


    I don't think there can be an legitimately ordained Feenyite priests.  Validly ordained, but not licitly.
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    « Reply #65 on: August 12, 2013, 09:02:35 PM »
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  • Please clarify yourself.
    Describe a Feeneyite Priest,   I have never seen one .??

    And what does that have to do with his ordination ??

    Please explain ?

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    « Reply #66 on: August 12, 2013, 09:37:11 PM »
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    Bull hunky ,,, Show me the docuмents of the Council of trent and Vat I

    Unless you can t because there arent any.  Which proves no Bod ??



    Show us the docuмent that says, whosoever believe in BOD is anathema.  


    This is just "ignorance on parade".  First off, the only true "Feeneyites" are those individuals who are followers of Father Feeney's theology.  As I have already pointed out, you can email, call, or even write to these folks:

    http://catholicism.org/
    http://www.saintbenedict.com/
    http://abbey.org/

    Now, if someone, anyone, is not directly associated and recognized by at least one of the three above groups, then that person(s) is not a "Feeneyite."  The Dimonds are not "Feeneyites"; for starters, they are sedes, a position which Father Feeney and all of his true followers reject.

    And, as I have already pointed-out, this guy was a "Feeneyite" priest:

    http://abbey.org/abbot-gabriel.php

    On the Sacred-Heart Yahoo list, I know personally another "Feeneyite" priest who posts regularly.  I am not going to reveal his name, because I do not have his permission to do so, but you can read his posts for yourself:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sacred-heart/

    In addition, all true "Feeneyites" believe in Baptism of Desire and/or Blood, that is, an individual receives sacramental grace prior to the reception of sacramental Baptism.  It is perfect charity alone which can justify a soul completely before the One and Triune God; nothing else, in fact, is needed, not even sacramental Baptism.  In fact, I will go even farther and admit that there may be souls right now in Paradise who lack the character of Baptism, even after such became obligatory by the will of the Triune God after Pentecost.  Of course, only the omnipotent God knows how many or how few, if any, of these individuals there are.  Finally, a true martyr for Jesus Christ would go straight to Paradise even if that person died without sacramental Baptism.

    So, what, exactly, is my heresy here?  I have asked several times now.

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    « Reply #67 on: August 12, 2013, 10:11:14 PM »
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  •  So, what, exactly, is my heresy here?  I have asked several times now.

    Thank you Jehann for that wonderful explanation of what a "Feeneyite", and Feeneyism is and what is not.
    We now know that only those who belong to Benedict Center Groups, can only rightly be called 'Feeneyites", and practice a true Feeneyism, which they followered after the late great Fr. Leonard Feeney.  Correct.

    I personally don t agree with that type of Feenyism , as I hold to Fr. Feeney be wrong in that area, that Santfying Grace can be put before Baptism.
    But that's another story for now.

    I want t to get on board with your statement above,  "So what, exactly, is my heresy here ?

    As I am not familiar with your position, would you please state it , as referenced to the Benedict s Center stance ?

    Tks.
     


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    « Reply #68 on: August 12, 2013, 10:28:17 PM »
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  • Silly, ignorance on parade, just giving you guys a taste of your own replies.  

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    « Reply #69 on: August 13, 2013, 12:05:00 AM »
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    I find it most edifying that the vehement, crabby voice common to
    the defenders of BoD comes out like "the claws of a hawk" as +W says.

    They hurl accusations of "heresy!" against anyone and everyone based on
    a doctrine that has never been defined, nor can it really ever be defined.

    There will never be a dogmatic pronouncement on so-called baptism
    of desire because it is entirely subjective, and no dogma is ever
    subjective.  The closest thing you'll ever see is an official pronouncement
    that the term "baptism of desire" is to be abandoned by Catholics, due to
    the enormously confusing consequence it engenders.  

    As for any priest who refuses to give Extreme Unction to a dying person
    on the basis that they are lucid and say that they do not abjure their
    personal opinion regarding a matter that has never been defined, and
    cannot be defined, is a priest who is committing a grave sin himself.

    By that standard, that is, "Believe that nobody needs the Sacrament of
    Baptism but only a vague longing for something they don't understand,
    or else you cannot have another Sacrament that I will only give to you
    if you deny the need for Baptism," why would such a priest bother to
    show up for Extreme Unction?  Why not just e-mail him instead?

    I have confessed to several priests who like to teach BoD, but never have
    they made it a factor in providing me absolution.  Is that what it means to
    be a "heretic?" If it were all that important, wouldn't it become a point
    that must be agreed to in Confession?  Isn't it heresy to deny even ONE
    dogma of the Faith?   Why have I never heard of any priest, EVER, saying
    that absolution will be withheld if the penitent doesn't believe in BoD?

    Hmmm???   :scratchchin:

    I have never met a priest who can adequately describe what it is, and
    when I challenge them to define it, they go in circles and cannot.  They
    revert to EENS, which is really changing the subject.  

    They say, "There are 7 sacraments."  They say "baptism of desire is
    not a sacrament, nor is baptism of blood a sacrament."  Then
    they say, "There are three kinds of Baptism," and conveniently
    forget all about how two of them are not baptism.  Then they pray the
    Nicene Creed, which is a list of dogmas the denial of any one of which
    means one loses the Catholic Faith whole and entire, and they say,
    "I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins..."  

    I find it so curious that this penchant to defend the indefensible is
    shared by sedevacantists and equally by those who look down their
    noses at sedevacantism as if it's some kind of spiritual AIDS, but when
    you get on BoD, suddenly they're buddies dearest!  But it doesn't last
    long, since they're always (or so it seems) most comfortable being
    someone's enemy, so they revert to attacking each other over the
    validity of the recent Modernist Popes.

    BoD freaks hurl insults equally at "Feeneyites" and "the Dimonds"
    as if the two groups have anything to do with each other.  I've never yet
    met a Bros. Dimond groupie who is a Feeneyite or a Feeneyite who has
    the least interest in the Dimonds.  

    This is like a 3-ring circus and the rings keep moving around.

    It is principally the SSPX leadership that is wacko on BoD, because
    the Resistance priests have much more important things to worry
    about.

    And the one thing the Menzingen-denizens DESIRE most, to
    become recognized by their local bishop, whoever that is, is the very
    thing that the Feeneyites have had for many, many years already, for
    about as long as the SSPX has been in existence!  

    I wouldn't be too surprised if this BoD problem in the SSPX hierarchy
    was one of the things that drove Fr. Hector Bolduc out of the Society.
    Don't quote me on that, but he was, as a matter of FACT quite at
    home in the St. Benedict Center of Richmond, New Hampshire with
    his personal long-time friend, Brother Francis, M.I.C.M.  I was sitting
    right there when he preached his sermon saying that "It's so nice to
    be back, here where everything is so familiar," and his arm made a
    sweeping motion as if to indicate all things in all directions, both
    people, furnishings and doctrine.  There were about 100 people
    present that day, and everyone was joyful to the core, I can assure
    you!  

    That was Father Hector Bolduc, the one and only, close corroborrator
    with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.  

    Anyone reading these BoD threads can see, where the ill will hides
    and where the Christian charity shines.  



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    « Reply #70 on: August 13, 2013, 08:32:53 AM »
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    So, what, exactly, is my heresy here?  I have asked several times now.

    Thank you Jehann for that wonderful explanation of what a "Feeneyite", and Feeneyism is and what is not.
    We now know that only those who belong to Benedict Center Groups, can only rightly be called 'Feeneyites", and practice a true Feeneyism, which they followered after the late great Fr. Leonard Feeney.  Correct.

    I personally don t agree with that type of Feenyism , as I hold to Fr. Feeney be wrong in that area, that Santfying Grace can be put before Baptism.
    But that's another story for now.

    I want t to get on board with your statement above,  "So what, exactly, is my heresy here ?

    As I am not familiar with your position, would you please state it , as referenced to the Benedict s Center stance ?

    Tks.
     


    Read this article and others like it on their webpage:

    http://catholicism.org/baptism-of-desire-its-origin-and-abandonment-in-the-thought-of-saint-augustine.html

    We believe that it is to the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of God, alone to determine what is and is not acceptable theological opinion and what belongs to the Ordinary and universal Magisterium and what belongs to the Extraordinary Magisterium.  As I posted elsewhere, the Pope can err as an individual, as a pastor, as a theologian, and even as the bishop of his diocese, the Diocese of Rome.  He cannot, however, in our opinion, err when he teaches to the universal Church.  To quote from the late Brother Thomas Mary Sennott:

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    Father Laisney's thesis on baptism of desire and baptism of blood can not possibly be true. We certainly would have heard of it before now, and from some more reliable source than the Society of St. Pius X, like the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, or through our own bishop. On the contrary,when Father Feeney was"reconciled" to the Church in 1972 with the approval of Pope Paul VI, through the good offices of Cardinal Medeiros of Boston, and Bishop Flanagan of Worcester, he was not required to retract any of his speculations on baptism of desire or baptism of blood. Also my book They Fought the Good Fight (1987) (which, incidently Father Laisney does not include in his bibliography) which included Father Feeney's speculations on baptism of desire and baptism of blood, received the Imprimi potest from Bishop Timothy J. Harrington of Worcester, and the retired bishop of Worcester, Bernard J. Flanagan, acted as Censor deputatus. (4) Of course Father Laisney's book has no Imprimatur.


    http://www.marycoredemptrix.com/laisneyism.html

    The fact that the Roman Pontiffs, beginning with Pope Pius XII, refused to condemn Father Feeney's The Bread of Life (which he mailed to every living Cardinal of the Catholic Church) proves that the opinions which Father Feeney expressed in that book at least fall into the category of opinio tolerata, and it is not for the SSPX, SSPV, or CMRI to "pass judgment" on anyone who holds to such viewpoints, let alone deny an individual the Sacraments of the Church, a judgment which is for the Roman Pontiff alone to make or at least the Ordinary whose jurisdiction it is to make such judgments.  "Supplied jurisdiction" does not mean "supplied judgment" and it is both heretical and schismatic for traditional priests of any stripe to deny the dying faithful the Sacraments which both divine and canon law state they have a right to receive.


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    « Reply #71 on: August 13, 2013, 08:38:17 AM »
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  • Neil, I will tell you in a nut shell why to deny BOD is evil; because it puts you into a position to judge the soul of a person.

    Instead of hoping for the salvation of said person who suddenly dies, there is no hope and you are condemning that person to hell in your mind.  
    You may be correct that BOD is not dogma, although I believe it is, because it makes perfect sense to me.  However to judge the soul of anyone is a mortal sin and forbidden by the Catholic church. Those who continue to judge the soul of another are putting themselves in grave danger.  I speak in a general term, so as not to judge anyone myself.  

    I find that people who deny BOD are the ones that are the most angry here with their tone, and I also see them reading things into the belief that just are not there, in other words they lie.  For example:  You even just said, "Believe that nobody needs the Sacrament of
     Baptism but only a vague longing for something they don't understand".  In truth the requirements for BOD are not there in that case.    Where is the contrition for their sins mentioned?  Those who deny BOD, never, ever mention that requirement.  

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    « Reply #72 on: August 13, 2013, 08:42:15 AM »
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    The fact that the Roman Pontiffs, beginning with Pope Pius XII, refused to condemn Father Feeney's The Bread of Life (which he mailed to every living Cardinal of the Catholic Church) proves that the opinions which Father Feeney expressed in that book at least fall into the category of opinio tolerata, and it is not for the SSPX, SSPV, or CMRI to "pass judgment" on anyone who holds to such viewpoints, let alone deny an individual the Sacraments of the Church, a judgment which is for the Roman Pontiff alone to make or at least the Ordinary whose jurisdiction it is to make such judgments.  "Supplied jurisdiction" does not mean "supplied judgment" and it is both heretical and schismatic for traditional priests of any stripe to deny the dying faithful the Sacraments which both divine and canon law state they have a right to receive.


    When Father Feeney died, there wasn't a true pope to condemn his writings, and there hasn't been one since.  That does  NOT make what he wrote or taught true.  
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    « Reply #73 on: August 13, 2013, 10:25:59 AM »
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    Neil, I will tell you in a nut shell why to deny BOD is evil; because it puts you into a position to judge the soul of a person.

    Instead of hoping for the salvation of said person who suddenly dies, there is no hope and you are condemning that person to hell in your mind.


    This is false; we make no such judgments.  Besides, how could you ever truly know that someone, anyone, was never sacramentally baptized, even in that person's infancy?  Seems kind of silly.

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    « Reply #74 on: August 13, 2013, 10:27:18 AM »
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    The fact that the Roman Pontiffs, beginning with Pope Pius XII, refused to condemn Father Feeney's The Bread of Life (which he mailed to every living Cardinal of the Catholic Church) proves that the opinions which Father Feeney expressed in that book at least fall into the category of opinio tolerata, and it is not for the SSPX, SSPV, or CMRI to "pass judgment" on anyone who holds to such viewpoints, let alone deny an individual the Sacraments of the Church, a judgment which is for the Roman Pontiff alone to make or at least the Ordinary whose jurisdiction it is to make such judgments.  "Supplied jurisdiction" does not mean "supplied judgment" and it is both heretical and schismatic for traditional priests of any stripe to deny the dying faithful the Sacraments which both divine and canon law state they have a right to receive.


    When Father Feeney died, there wasn't a true pope to condemn his writings, and there hasn't been one since.  That does  NOT make what he wrote or taught true.  


    You're being judgmental.