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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2013, 12:05:47 AM »
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     I had a Feenyite friend who died recently.  The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites.  SHE DID RECANT!.  All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!  

    I must comment on this in defense of my dear friend who passed away at the age of 86.
    This women I knew very dearly and personally.  She was a staunch avocate against the false teaching of Baptism of Desire and what she held to not being a teaching of the Church.   I was at her bedside, funeral Mass, and burial.  
    One has to remember of a person who holds a strong belief as she did while in the hospital bed on medication and a oxygen mask on, that she is in fear of meating her judge, can easily agree to anything.  Emerentiana got her information I believe from children of this person, but unfortunately was 2000 miles at the time of the Mass.  There were two different Priests , one for the Mass, and one for the Burial, Both Thuc line Priests.  She died a peaceful death along with her husband who also died a month later.  She was a very holy and well like person as were her husband and children.  

    I am writing this because I felt I had to defend these words being put out there, and to dispel the idea that this women who was one of a kind , in my estimation , never renounce her strong stance on the false theory and teaching of Baptism of Desire.

    Im sorry Emerentina  , but I must defend both our dear friend.

    (more on this thread later)
    God bless you


    Thank you for this.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #31 on: August 12, 2013, 03:55:15 AM »
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    Please give me the name of this priest. I don't want to get stuck with him at my death bed!



    Why worry about it at all? Surely your desire to be saved will work much better than an infidel's desire to be baptized.

    Frances spilled the beans already. Fr. Bitzer is an awesome priest. I'm sorry for your conviction against the sacrament, you are in my prayers.





     
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    « Reply #32 on: August 12, 2013, 06:29:49 AM »
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    Please give me the name of this priest. I don't want to get stuck with him at my death bed!



    Why worry about it at all? Surely your desire to be saved will work much better than an infidel's desire to be baptized.

    Frances spilled the beans already. Fr. Bitzer is an awesome priest. I'm sorry for your conviction against the sacrament, you are in my prayers.





     


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    My conviction against what sacrament? Baptism? Extreme Unction? I have a conviction against neither, and I do not believe BOD is a sacrament.
    Matthew 5:37

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    « Reply #33 on: August 12, 2013, 07:36:20 AM »
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    Please give me the name of this priest. I don't want to get stuck with him at my death bed!



    Why worry about it at all? Surely your desire to be saved will work much better than an infidel's desire to be baptized.

    Frances spilled the beans already. Fr. Bitzer is an awesome priest. I'm sorry for your conviction against the sacrament, you are in my prayers.





     


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    My conviction against what sacrament? Baptism? Extreme Unction? I have a conviction against neither, and I do not believe BOD is a sacrament.



    Baptism particularly if you believe it is unnecessary for all.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #34 on: August 12, 2013, 10:23:34 AM »
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    If you Feenyites cant name priests who support your views, then you certainly are in trouble!


    Good heavens - where are you trying to go with this?

    Why not ask about all the conciliar priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and - lets not forget about the conciliar popes - who have pretty much nothing else whatsoever in common with the true faith except they all also believe the sacrament is unnecessary for salvation. Do you suppose that you are in good
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    I think  my question is  quite simple.  I want to know who  the legitimately ordained priests are who subscribe to the Feenite Heresy.   Im talking about TRADITIONAL priests

    We all know who the founder of this heresy is.  it was Father Leonard Feeney.  Are there any other priests in the US that follow his beliefs?  Are there supposedly traditional priests out there  who agree with Feeney and the Diamonds?
    ALL of the traditional clergy in the world today do not subscribe to Feeney's beliefs, but there may be a few who have been influenced by Feeney.
    If there are, there should be no problem for  the Feenyites  to say who they are.  If there are clergy who  subscribe to this they need to own up to it.
    Feenyism is essentially a lay heresy.  It is a misinterpretation of the teachings of the church on BOB and BOD.

    I guess there arent any.  I assume this by the silence  of those here  who subscribe to this heresy.

    Diamond teaches these people that they can go to the traditional priests for the mass and the sacraments.  They consider the priests valid but heretical.

    I had a Feenyite friend who died recently.  The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites.  SHE DID RECANT!.  All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!


     


    Please give me the name of this priest. I don't want to get stuck with him at my death bed!



    What are you taking about Parents for Truth?

    the priest was  doing his duty.  He knew the person had subscribed to the Feenyite Heresy.   :surprised:


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    « Reply #35 on: August 12, 2013, 11:07:14 AM »
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    What are you taking about Parents for Truth?

    the priest was  doing his duty.  He knew the person had subscribed to the Feenyite Heresy.   :surprised:


    You can't (or won't) even define the "Feeneyite heresy".

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    « Reply #36 on: August 12, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
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     I had a Feenyite friend who died recently.  The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites.  SHE DID RECANT!.  All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!  

    I must comment on this in defense of my dear friend who passed away at the age of 86.
    This women I knew very dearly and personally.  She was a staunch avocate against the false teaching of Baptism of Desire and what she held to not being a teaching of the Church.   I was at her bedside, funeral Mass, and burial.  
    One has to remember of a person who holds a strong belief as she did while in the hospital bed on medication and a oxygen mask on, that she is in fear of meating her judge, can easily agree to anything.  Emerentiana got her information I believe from children of this person, but unfortunately was 2000 miles at the time of the Mass.  There were two different Priests , one for the Mass, and one for the Burial, Both Thuc line Priests.  She died a peaceful death along with her husband who also died a month later.  She was a very holy and well like person as were her husband and children.  

    I am writing this because I felt I had to defend these words being put out there, and to dispel the idea that this women who was one of a kind , in my estimation , never renounce her strong stance on the false theory and teaching of Baptism of Desire.

    Im sorry Emerentina  , but I must defend both our dear friend.

    (more on this thread later)
    God bless you


    What *specifically* was his words, what *specifically* did he ask her to renounce?





    Well, I have heard from her children who I know very well, that she did recant this heresy.  I pray she did.  Im sure the priest would not have given her last rites if she didnt.
    I knew this women very well.  She  NEVER held the view against BOB and BOD until she started reading books on Fr Feeney. (the CMRI priests have gone over Fr Feeney and told us not to read his works).  You were instrumental in mixing her up.
    She used to visit her son in Spokane and would attend every mass that was said there for the time she visited.
    After she was derailed by the Feenyite heresy and became a home aloner., as you are.  She didnt go to mass for several years before she died.

    Very sad!  God judged her.  We cannot do so.


    You are Fred, right?   Im sure its you, right?
    Of course you are a Feenyite and would naturally say these things.

    My point still stands.  I suggest ALL of you ask a traditional priest  what he would do if he KNEW that the dying person held the Feenyite position on BOB abd BOD.
    Ask him if he would expect them  to recant their heresy before giving them the last rites if they were consious and  able to reply in some way.  

    In fact, I will ask a priest  I know and give you his reply.  Obviously, the 2 priests that attended my friend thought it was important.  BTW they were not assicoated with each other.

    I have heard of several people who were Feenyites and dying, that REFUSED the last sacraments from a priest.  They did not have a Catholic burial.  
    Get real folks!   This is your salvation!

    Sorry about the underlining. I couldnt take it off.

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    Oh my God I firmly believe ALL the sacred truths the Holy Catholic Church teaches because Tho has revealed them, who can neither deceive or be deceived!




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    « Reply #37 on: August 12, 2013, 11:20:09 AM »
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  • She should have asked for a diocesan priest instead of one with doubtful Orders.


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    « Reply #38 on: August 12, 2013, 11:22:27 AM »
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    Emerentina said:

    We all know who the founder of this heresy is.  it was Father Leonard]Feeney.  Are there any other priests in the US that follow his beliefs?  Are there supposedly traditional priests out there  who agree with Feeney and the Diamonds?
     ALL of the traditional clergy in the world today do not subscribe to Feeney's beliefs, but there may be a few who have been influenced by Feeney.
     If there are, there should be no problem for  the Feenyites  to say who they are.  If there are clergy who  subscribe to this they need to own up to it.
     Feenyism is essentially a lay heresy.  It is a misinterpretation of the teachings of the church on BOB and BOD.

     We all know who the founder of this heresy is.  it was Father Leonard Feeney.


    We need to get straight some facts in defense of Fr. Leonard Feeney.  
     Fr. Feeney was considered the most knowledge theologian in the US at the time.
     Fr. Feeney believed and taught that there was no Salvation for anyone without the Sacrament of Baptism.
     Fr. Feeney is is said to have converted over 200 jews protestants, and atheists to the Catholic Faith.

     The error Fr. Feeney  thought  the Council of Trent taught was, that one could be Justified, by the desire for it.   But rightly believing that one could not be saved without water Baptism.  Some think because of the modernist writings on the session of justification, where "desire", was misrepresented.
     (more on that later), was his error in good faith .  

     Justification , (or Santfying Grace), comes only after one is Baptised and thereby enters the Church.

     When we blatently label someone with the imfamous title like "Feeneyite', or words similar for those who follow the supposed false teaching of Fr. Feeney, on Baptism of desire in relation to Salvation,
    or anyone else who upholds the  Dogma of "Outside the Church there is no Salvation". We must be careful that we have the clear facts in hand, to understand what the teaching of the Church really Holds , especially in its Councils and Dogmas.  


     I put the challenge out there .........

     Please show me in the infallible Council of Trent or Vat I , where the words "Baptism of Desire", are used in anyway, to describe a method of Baptism, or for Salvation, or for anything else.????

     Note...... Theologians , Doctors , Saints, don t count.  They upon themselves have no authority to make Doctrine.. Being fallable humans, can ,and have made  errors in their writings in the past. They can teach, preach or write on difined dogmatic Dogmas ,or Doctrine, and can be held accountable for any errors.  We need Defined infallible Dogmatic Catholic Doctrine.

    Read the words of PPXII on Theologians,  


    PPXII  on theologians

    Pope Pius XII, Humani generis (# 21), Aug. 12, 1950:

    “This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church.’”



    This thread is Not about Fr Feeney himself.  Is about the Feenyite priests  who hold to this belief.  

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    « Reply #39 on: August 12, 2013, 11:25:10 AM »
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    She should have asked for a diocesan priest instead of one with doubtful Orders.



     :facepalm: :rolleyes:

    Well, I guess we know where you stand, Jahanne!  Of course a lot of us believe that the Novus Ordo  p r e s b y t e r s   are not valid priests!

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    « Reply #40 on: August 12, 2013, 11:29:06 AM »
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_V


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    « Reply #41 on: August 12, 2013, 11:33:19 AM »
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  • Of course not!   The Novus Ordo Church does not recognize any of the traditional Catholic clergy and bishops?

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    « Reply #42 on: August 12, 2013, 11:35:00 AM »
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  • Perhaps the SSPV priests and their bishop have "Orders by (implicit) desire."

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    « Reply #43 on: August 12, 2013, 11:37:55 AM »
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  • The SSPV has valid bishops as well.  I think they trace their lineage to Cardinal Spellman.  Not positive on this.

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    « Reply #44 on: August 12, 2013, 11:40:54 AM »
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    The SSPV has valid bishops as well.  I think they trace their lineage to Cardinal Spellman.  Not positive on this.


    You mean that you're receiving the Sacraments from "priests" whose episcopal lineage you only "think" that you can trace?!  Talk about a doubtful sacramental priesthood!  Why are you even worried about "Feeneyite" priests??