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Binechi · « **Reply #15 on:** August 11, 2013, 01:17:55 PM »

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If you Feenyites cant name priests who support your views, then you certainly are in trouble!

Good heavens - where are you trying to go with this?

Why not ask about all the conciliar priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and - lets not forget about the conciliar popes - who have pretty much nothing else whatsoever in common with the true faith except they all also believe the sacrament is unnecessary for salvation. Do you suppose that you are in good company?

I think my question is quite simple. I want to know who the legitimately ordained priests are who subscribe to the Feenite Heresy. Im talking about TRADITIONAL priests

We all know who the founder of this heresy is. it was Father Leonard Feeney. Are there any other priests in the US that follow his beliefs? Are there supposedly traditional priests out there who agree with Feeney and the Diamonds?
ALL of the traditional clergy in the world today do not subscribe to Feeney's beliefs, but there may be a few who have been influenced by Feeney.
If there are, there should be no problem for the Feenyites to say who they are. If there are clergy who subscribe to this they need to own up to it.
Feenyism is essentially a lay heresy. It is a misinterpretation of the teachings of the church on BOB and BOD.

I guess there arent any. I assume this by the silence of those here who subscribe to this heresy.

Diamond teaches these people that they can go to the traditional priests for the mass and the sacraments. They consider the priests valid but heretical.

I had a Feenyite friend who died recently. The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites. SHE DID RECANT!. All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!

I can name one , The only one left as far as he knows. He is in his 80s . (name withheld so as to not antagonize him, as some would like to do here)?

Stubborn · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2013, 02:04:20 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: Stubborn
Quote from: Emerentiana
If you Feenyites cant name priests who support your views, then you certainly are in trouble!

Good heavens - where are you trying to go with this?

Why not ask about all the conciliar priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and - lets not forget about the conciliar popes - who have pretty much nothing else whatsoever in common with the true faith except they all also believe the sacrament is unnecessary for salvation. Do you suppose that you are in good company?

I think my question is quite simple. I want to know who the legitimately ordained priests are who subscribe to the Feenite Heresy. Im talking about TRADITIONAL priests.

Simple question, but there is no such thing as a "feeneyite heresy".

Assuming you are referring to Fr. Feeney's defense of the Sacrament of Baptism (and Extreme Unction) as a heresy, you should know that you could die a martyr defending anyone one of the Sacraments or Dogmas - something not possible with a BOD since it is not dogma or doctrine and contradicts the defined dogma.

So you need to explain whatever you think a "Feeneyite heresy" is.

And FYI, there is a resistance priest who defends the Sacrament and dogma - like Director's reasoning, I won't say who it is again, i already said who the priest was once a few months ago.

Quote from: Emerentiana

I had a Feenyite friend who died recently. The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites. SHE DID RECANT!. All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!

Exactly what heresy was it that she needed to recant?

Too bad she was already baptized hey?

If she was an infidel, there would have been zero need to recant anything, no need for a priest, and *certainly* no need to receive the last Sacrament - all she would have needed was to have some assumed implicit desire wishing to be Catholic and she'da made it.

TCat · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2013, 02:13:01 PM »

Stubborns got a point. Why are non-Catholics who die without baptism ( but want one ) in a better position than Catholics who die in sin.
It seems unfair, and God is fair. I doubt Christ would have instructed his apostles to baptise in His name if it weren't necessary.

Binechi · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2013, 03:25:11 PM »

Emerentina said:

I had a Feenyite friend who died recently. The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites. SHE DID RECANT!. All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!

I must comment on this in defense of my dear friend who passed away at the age of 86.
This women I knew very dearly and personally. She was a staunch avocate against the false teaching of Baptism of Desire and what she held to not being a teaching of the Church. I was at her bedside, funeral Mass, and burial.
One has to remember of a person who holds a strong belief as she did while in the hospital bed on medication and a oxygen mask on, that she is in fear of meating her judge, can easily agree to anything. Emerentiana got her information I believe from children of this person, but unfortunately was 2000 miles at the time of the Mass. There were two different Priests , one for the Mass, and one for the Burial, Both Thuc line Priests. She died a peaceful death along with her husband who also died a month later. She was a very holy and well like person as were her husband and children.

I am writing this because I felt I had to defend these words being put out there, and to dispel the idea that this women who was one of a kind , in my estimation , never renounce her strong stance on the false theory and teaching of Baptism of Desire.

Im sorry Emerentina , but I must defend both our dear friend.

(more on this thread later)
God bless you

Matto · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2013, 03:37:01 PM »

My old SSPX priest gave communion to openly sedevacantist laymen and also to those who openly rejected baptism of Desire and blood, so he must not think that either sedevacantists, or "feeneyites" were heretics.

roscoe · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2013, 03:39:52 PM »

There is No Such Thing as a Feenyite heresy.

Stubborn · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2013, 03:53:41 PM »

Quote from: Director

Emerentina said:

I had a Feenyite friend who died recently. The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites. SHE DID RECANT!. All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!

I must comment on this in defense of my dear friend who passed away at the age of 86.
This women I knew very dearly and personally. She was a staunch avocate against the false teaching of Baptism of Desire and what she held to not being a teaching of the Church. I was at her bedside, funeral Mass, and burial.
One has to remember of a person who holds a strong belief as she did while in the hospital bed on medication and a oxygen mask on, that she is in fear of meating her judge, can easily agree to anything. Emerentiana got her information I believe from children of this person, but unfortunately was 2000 miles at the time of the Mass. There were two different Priests , one for the Mass, and one for the Burial, Both Thuc line Priests. She died a peaceful death along with her husband who also died a month later. She was a very holy and well like person as were her husband and children.

I am writing this because I felt I had to defend these words being put out there, and to dispel the idea that this women who was one of a kind , in my estimation , never renounce her strong stance on the false theory and teaching of Baptism of Desire.

Im sorry Emerentina , but I must defend both our dear friend.

(more on this thread later)
God bless you

What *specifically* was his words, what *specifically* did he ask her to renounce?

Binechi · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2013, 04:14:37 PM »

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Emerentina said:

We all know who the founder of this heresy is. it was Father Leonard]Feeney. Are there any other priests in the US that follow his beliefs? Are there supposedly traditional priests out there who agree with Feeney and the Diamonds?
ALL of the traditional clergy in the world today do not subscribe to Feeney's beliefs, but there may be a few who have been influenced by Feeney.
If there are, there should be no problem for the Feenyites to say who they are. If there are clergy who subscribe to this they need to own up to it.
Feenyism is essentially a lay heresy. It is a misinterpretation of the teachings of the church on BOB and BOD.

We all know who the founder of this heresy is. it was Father Leonard Feeney.

We need to get straight some facts in defense of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
Fr. Feeney was considered the most knowledge theologian in the US at the time.
Fr. Feeney believed and taught that there was no Salvation for anyone without the Sacrament of Baptism.
Fr. Feeney is is said to have converted over 200 jews protestants, and atheists to the Catholic Faith.

The error Fr. Feeney thought the Council of Trent taught was, that one could be Justified, by the desire for it. But rightly believing that one could not be saved without water Baptism. Some think because of the modernist writings on the session of justification, where "desire", was misrepresented.
(more on that later), was his error in good faith .

Justification , (or Santfying Grace), comes only after one is Baptised and thereby enters the Church.

When we blatently label someone with the imfamous title like "Feeneyite', or words similar for those who follow the supposed false teaching of Fr. Feeney, on Baptism of desire in relation to Salvation,
or anyone else who upholds the Dogma of "Outside the Church there is no Salvation". We must be careful that we have the clear facts in hand, to understand what the teaching of the Church really Holds , especially in its Councils and Dogmas.

I put the challenge out there .........

Please show me in the infallible Council of Trent or Vat I , where the words "Baptism of Desire", are used in anyway, to describe a method of Baptism, or for Salvation, or for anything else.????

Note...... Theologians , Doctors , Saints, don t count. They upon themselves have no authority to make Doctrine.. Being fallable humans, can ,and have made errors in their writings in the past. They can teach, preach or write on difined dogmatic Dogmas ,or Doctrine, and can be held accountable for any errors. We need Defined infallible Dogmatic Catholic Doctrine.

Read the words of PPXII on Theologians,

PPXII on theologians

Pope Pius XII, Humani generis (# 21), Aug. 12, 1950:

“This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church.’”

roscoe · « **Reply #23 on:** August 11, 2013, 05:21:10 PM »

It is within the same Humani Generis that the Pope replies to Fr Feeney's request for support of EENS. Those that attack Fr Feeney are after the Pope as well.

Ambrose · « **Reply #24 on:** August 11, 2013, 05:29:16 PM »

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Fr. Feeney was considered the most knowledge theologian in the US at the time.

Do you have a source for this statement? Who said Fr. Feeney was a theologian? Who said he was the most knowledgable theologian in the United States at that time?

Binechi · « **Reply #25 on:** August 11, 2013, 05:35:44 PM »

You can get all that in Bro Robert Mary, (MICM) book , "Father Feeney and the truth About Salvation"

I believe It can be read on line, well written , well docuмented..

Frances · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2013, 06:20:00 PM »

I'm not 100% sure of this, maybe 90%, but Fr. Gavin Bitzer, O.L. of the Pillar, Louisville, KY supports the teachings of Fr. Leonard Feeney. He was ordained by the SSPX. There are numerous laypeople who attend Mass at OLP who would not consider themselves "Feeneyites."
The belief in no BOD is not formally heretical. So how could a dying woman be required to renounce her "heresy?"

Binechi · « **Reply #27 on:** August 11, 2013, 06:48:35 PM »

Frances ,, One uses the term "Feeneyite", some in a negative connotation, as those who don t believe in Baptism of desire but are labeled such for the very reason they don t , as the Benedict Center people are....

And then there are those who consider themselves Feeneyites in the positive sense, in that they who whole hearted hold and support Fr. Feeney and his stand on his position of No Baptism of Desire, and defense of the Dogma of No salvation outside the Church.
The only thing that one must keep in mind is his error on "Desire on Justification". For this some of the groups have had a field day in chastising him.

So what I am saying is when someone repeats the word "Feeneyite", there is positive connotation , with reseverations, and the most commonly used term "Feeneyite", is the Negative meaning.

Does that make any sense. ?? So when you say this person or group or Priest adhers to or not to Bod, in relationship to "Fenneyism", you have to sort out the context, it is used in or by ????

Whew ... I hope I got that rite ??

roscoe · « **Reply #28 on:** August 11, 2013, 09:10:16 PM »

I continue to be amused at the wenches from CMRI who ( as females) have no business in the disputation of theological matters. This should be evident from their propaganda.

Those out for Fr Feeney are out for Pius XII whose Humani Generis supports him. The CMRI posters can be added to the others in the Forum who are assaulting this Pope. :judge:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #29 on:** August 12, 2013, 12:03:59 AM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

Quote from: Stubborn
Quote from: Emerentiana
If you Feenyites cant name priests who support your views, then you certainly are in trouble!

Good heavens - where are you trying to go with this?

Why not ask about all the conciliar priests, nuns, bishops, cardinals and - lets not forget about the conciliar popes - who have pretty much nothing else whatsoever in common with the true faith except they all also believe the sacrament is unnecessary for salvation. Do you suppose that you are in good company?

I think my question is quite simple. I want to know who the legitimately ordained priests are who subscribe to the Feenite Heresy. Im talking about TRADITIONAL priests

We all know who the founder of this heresy is. it was Father Leonard Feeney. Are there any other priests in the US that follow his beliefs? Are there supposedly traditional priests out there who agree with Feeney and the Diamonds?
ALL of the traditional clergy in the world today do not subscribe to Feeney's beliefs, but there may be a few who have been influenced by Feeney.
If there are, there should be no problem for the Feenyites to say who they are. If there are clergy who subscribe to this they need to own up to it.
Feenyism is essentially a lay heresy. It is a misinterpretation of the teachings of the church on BOB and BOD.

I guess there arent any. I assume this by the silence of those here who subscribe to this heresy.

Diamond teaches these people that they can go to the traditional priests for the mass and the sacraments. They consider the priests valid but heretical.

I had a Feenyite friend who died recently. The priest who came to her for the last sacraments told her she had to RECANT her heresy or be denied the last rites. SHE DID RECANT!. All of you who subscribe to this error, please keep this in mind!

Please give me the name of this priest. I don't want to get stuck with him at my death bed!