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Offline GertrudetheGreat

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« Reply #120 on: December 30, 2011, 10:17:50 PM »
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    Nadie responds: You paint with a broad brush. So much for your theological books! You just posted a moronic comment. We are Catholic, doctrine to a Catholic is only Catholic Doctrine, not heresy or the "doctrines" of false religions.


    Maybe we're misunderstanding each other.

    Go and re-read what I wrote, and tell me what you are objecting to.  I certainly didn't present the minimalist position as the doctrine of the Church.  I stated clearly that the better theologians maintain that the doctrines of the Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Redemption are also required explicitly to be believed in order for one to be saved.


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    A tolerated opinion is precisely one which may well be erroneous, but which the Church herself has not yet judged, and therefore she permits her future priests to be taught it in her seminaries.


    That's right, and a tolerated opinion can be totally wrong. Even the unanimous opinion of theologians during a period of time can be totally wrong.

    No, that's wrong.  The whole Church cannot go wrong, and that is what would happen if all the approved teachers of her priests were permitted to teach false doctrine.


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    Yes, I understand that you know better than the Church, your powers of reason and yours standards of orthodoxy are higher than hers, but that's neither here nor there to anybody but you.  The rest of us try to think with the Church.


    My Church has clear dogmas revealed by the Holy Ghost, which I believe as they are written. Your Church has theological speculations, "tolerated" theories, that fit your own beliefs only through defying the law of non-contradiction at every turn.


    No, you miss the point and bury it in bombast, as always.  What is the Rule of Faith?  The preaching of the Church.  What is Nadie's rule of faith?  His own archeological excavations in the Fathers, the Councils, the Popes.

    Now, are you going to withdraw your Modernist theory about the evolution of dogma?  Or are you going to let it stand there, scandalising anybody who might be foolish enough to believe something you write?

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    « Reply #121 on: December 31, 2011, 10:57:16 AM »
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    Nadie responds: You paint with a broad brush. So much for your theological books! You just posted a moronic comment. We are Catholic, doctrine to a Catholic is only Catholic Doctrine, not heresy or the "doctrines" of false religions.


    Maybe we're misunderstanding each other.

    Go and re-read what I wrote, and tell me what you are objecting to.  I certainly didn't present the minimalist position as the doctrine of the Church.  I stated clearly that the better theologians maintain that the doctrines of the Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Redemption are also required explicitly to be believed in order for one to be saved.


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    A tolerated opinion is precisely one which may well be erroneous, but which the Church herself has not yet judged, and therefore she permits her future priests to be taught it in her seminaries.


    That's right, and a tolerated opinion can be totally wrong. Even the unanimous opinion of theologians during a period of time can be totally wrong.

    No, that's wrong.  The whole Church cannot go wrong, and that is what would happen if all the approved teachers of her priests were permitted to teach false doctrine.


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    Yes, I understand that you know better than the Church, your powers of reason and yours standards of orthodoxy are higher than hers, but that's neither here nor there to anybody but you.  The rest of us try to think with the Church.


    My Church has clear dogmas revealed by the Holy Ghost, which I believe as they are written. Your Church has theological speculations, "tolerated" theories, that fit your own beliefs only through defying the law of non-contradiction at every turn.


    No, you miss the point and bury it in bombast, as always.  What is the Rule of Faith?  The preaching of the Church.  What is Nadie's rule of faith?  His own archeological excavations in the Fathers, the Councils, the Popes.

    Now, are you going to withdraw your Modernist theory about the evolution of dogma?  Or are you going to let it stand there, scandalising anybody who might be foolish enough to believe something you write?


    You should eventually realize that you're in violation of the law of non-contradiction and withdraw from the field.

    He's gone to great pains to show you quotes from Scripture,  the Fathers, Magisterial teaching and support those with logical argument.

    You're attempting to elevate mere speculation and non-dogmatic musings and opinions to the level of Dogma and it just doesn't work.


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    « Reply #122 on: December 31, 2011, 11:54:58 AM »
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    If you're going to criticize a position, you should understand it first.

    When was the sacrament of baptism instituted?


    Pentecost. How does that change anything?

    Circuмcision was the old baptism. "Feeneyites" of the Old Testament would have believed that all uncircuмcised persons burn in eternal Hellfire, even if they lived in Asia and had no idea who Abraham was. Same principle with Baptism. It makes no logical sense.

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    « Reply #123 on: December 31, 2011, 12:08:49 PM »
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    If you're going to criticize a position, you should understand it first.

    When was the sacrament of baptism instituted?


    Pentecost. How does that change anything?

    Circuмcision was the old baptism. "Feeneyites" of the Old Testament would have believed that all uncircuмcised persons burn in eternal Hellfire, even if they lived in Asia and had no idea who Abraham was. Same principle with Baptism. It makes no logical sense.


    Can you be held responsible for not following a law which doesn't exist?

    You also don't have any idea what "Feeneyites" believe.

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    « Reply #124 on: December 31, 2011, 12:13:05 PM »
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    Can you be held responsible for not following a law which doesn't exist?


    The law of Baptism doesn't exist?

    Do you believe every deceased non-baptized soul who existed after Pentecost is burning in Hell right now?


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    « Reply #125 on: December 31, 2011, 02:17:08 PM »
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    Can you be held responsible for not following a law which doesn't exist?


    The law of Baptism doesn't exist?

    Do you believe every deceased non-baptized soul who existed after Pentecost is burning in Hell right now?


    Was there a sacrament of Baptism before Pentecost?