Author Topic: Feeneyites and Sedes Give Trads a Bad Name (Read 15908 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #30 on:** September 30, 2009, 08:13:57 PM »

This has been discussed many times in the past. The docuмents allegedly ex-communicating Fr Feeney or calling him to Rome are as fraudulent as the docuмent claiming the Card Rampolla was a 'secret occult mason on the OTO' with Alastair Crowley.

If anything, Pius XII supported Fr Feeney when Humani Generis is issued.

Jehanne · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2009, 08:33:47 PM »

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So the Holy Office excommunicated itself in excommunicating Fr. Feeney?

Probably.

SJB · « **Reply #32 on:** September 30, 2009, 11:15:31 PM »

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These are simply not in conflict. You think they conflict...but they do not.

For starters, here is St. Thomas:

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"Next, he [Pope Innocent III] comes to the article about the effect of grace. First, he speaks of the effect of grace with regard to the unity of the Church, saying: "There is one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all is saved." Now, the unity of the Church is nothing other than the congregation of the faithful. Since it is impossible to please God without faith, there can be no place of salvation other than in the Church. Furthermore, the salvation of the faithful is consummated through the sacraments of the Church, in which the power of Christ's Passion is operative."

Nowhere does St. Thomas or anyone else say the following:

"However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God."

This is heresy, plain and simple.

I wasn't finished. And that's not heretical...it's true. Supernatural Faith is required at all times and by all people. That's what you underlined, isn't it?

You are really arrogant...and that usually comes from ignorance.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:36:40 AM »

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So the Holy Office excommunicated itself in excommunicating Fr. Feeney?

Probably.

Oh man...

CM · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2009, 01:57:25 AM »

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The Fathers at Lateran, Constance, Florence, and Trent, when they specified vowtum with respect to Baptism had nothing in common with the modernist heretics that began swarming the Vatican in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Note that Lateran IV, Vienne and Florence made no mention at all of votum.

The Trent mentions votum, saying explicitly that justification cannot take place without it. In the same decree as it states it cannot take place without the laver of regeneration. It does not even approach to saying that justification CAN take place with only one or the other and to assert otherwise is just plain distortion.