Author Topic: Feeneyism (Read 3057 times)

Charles · « **on:** January 14, 2011, 02:47:39 PM »

My head spins every time I try to sort it out.

How can someone say Fr Feeney was wrong, and then so passionately argue against post VII ecuмenism ?

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2011, 02:58:09 PM »

According to Bishop Dolan, it was the confusion created by Fr. Feeney that allowed the false ecuмenism of Vatican II to happen. Sorry if that makes your head spin even faster.

GregorianChat · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2011, 03:03:36 PM »

Charles,
That's so funny, assuming you are talking about bob and bod, my head spins everytime I try to sort it out.

How can someone who says Fr. Feeney was right, so passionately argue that post VII ecuмenism is the same thing?

Charles · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2011, 03:11:58 PM »

Well, really, think about it.

Isn't another Assisi gathering planned ? How can one argue that's a bad idea, and then propose Fr Feeney was wrong ?

Deliveringit1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2011, 05:06:14 PM »

Charles, you make a an excellent point. Many in this Forum claim to be "Traditional Catholics" while at the same time rejecting a strict understanding of EENS and also rejecting the necessity of Water Baptism as the only means to become a member within God's Church.

So it makes one wonder,... since these so called self proclaimed "Traditional Catholics" agree with the Novus Ordo Modernism(ie- Baptism of Desire), then what exactly makes them think they are "Traditional Catholics"?

GregorianChat · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2011, 07:27:44 PM »

Quote from: Charles

Well, really, think about it.

Isn't another Assisi gathering planned ? How can one argue that's a bad idea, and then propose Fr Feeney was wrong ?

Personally, I'm not concerned what the Vatican II Modernist church does. I still don't see the connection.
Do you like this Assisi gathering?

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2011, 08:42:06 PM »

Quote from: Charles

Well, really, think about it.

Isn't another Assisi gathering planned ? How can one argue that's a bad idea, and then propose Fr Feeney was wrong ?

Who is advocating Assissi was wrong and at the same time trashing Fr Feeney?

Dolan somehow pinning v2 on Fr Feeney is from Alice In Wonderland.

Charles · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2011, 08:42:50 PM »

Quote from: GregorianChat

Quote from: Charles
Well, really, think about it.

Isn't another Assisi gathering planned ? How can one argue that's a bad idea, and then propose Fr Feeney was wrong ?

Personally, I'm not concerned what the Vatican II Modernist church does. I still don't see the connection.
Do you like this Assisi gathering?

Assisi ? I think it was a dark day for the Church. And I think false ecuмenism should be passionately opposed.

I just think of Fr Feeney when I think of EENS. I'm 90% convinced he was right, but about 10% he might have been wrong. :confused1:

Charles · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2011, 09:07:11 PM »

Quote from: Deliveringit1

Charles, you make a an excellent point. Many in this Forum claim to be "Traditional Catholics" while at the same time rejecting a strict understanding of EENS and also rejecting the necessity of Water Baptism as the only means to become a member within God's Church.

So it makes one wonder,... since these so called self proclaimed "Traditional Catholics" agree with the Novus Ordo Modernism(ie- Baptism of Desire), then what exactly makes them think they are "Traditional Catholics"?

:sign-surrender:

I agree with your understanding of EENS, but I just popped back in here and posted on a whim after seeing Mathew's poem.

I see the other thread now ... obviously you've been busy there lol.

My question wasn't to find fault in a stance by a forum member. I'm just trying to figure out why a strict interpretation of EENS, sans loopholes, is incorrect. And isn't the interpretation of EENS itself the basis to reject false ecuмenism ?

Doesn't all our ammo against false ecuмenism find EENS at face value as the source ? Feeney style, sans the loopholes and claims of ignorance ?

That's what I'm getting at, but if it's a distorted view, I'm all ears.

Charles · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2011, 09:10:42 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Quote from: Charles
Well, really, think about it.

Isn't another Assisi gathering planned ? How can one argue that's a bad idea, and then propose Fr Feeney was wrong ?

Who is advocating Assissi was wrong and at the same time trashing Fr Feeney?

Dolan somehow pinning v2 on Fr Feeney is from Alice In Wonderland.

No one was, see my post above this one for what I was getting at.

Deliveringit1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2011, 09:14:22 PM »

Quote from: Charles

I just think of Fr Feeney when I think of EENS. I'm 90% convinced he was right, but about 10% he might have been wrong. :confused1:

Then stop thinking of Fr. Feeney when you think of EENS and instead place your trust in the infallible dogmatic ex-cathedra statements which back up Fr. Feeney's position. Whereas all the BoD supporters only have fallible statements from men. Infact, BoD defenders can't agree on what BoD is and what it does so they argue :argue: even amongst themselves

" If anyone shall say that Baptism is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema."
Canons on the Sacrament of Baptism
Can. 5 Council of Trent

umblehay anmay · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:36:32 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Dolan somehow pinning v2 on Fr Feeney is from Alice In Wonderland.

What did you mean by that roscoe?

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:38:59 PM »

........his thinking is through the looking glass and as such a vain attempt at MK

Jehanne · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2011, 10:28:12 PM »

Here are some links on EENS:

A nice PDF of Father Muller's The Catholic Dogma available here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23386974/THE-CATHOLIC-DOGMA-Extra-Ecclesiam-Nullus-omnino-Salvatur-by-Fr-Michael-Mueller-C-SS-R

Plus, Father Feeney's Bread of Life:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23249154/Bread-of-Life-by-Fr-Leonard-Feeney-S-J

Standard disclaimer on the following website, but a good article on Saint Augustine's positions on Baptism of Desire & Blood (note the similarities between his final view on Baptism and that of Father Feeney):

http://www.romancatholicism.org/augustine-final.htm

Vincent P. Lewis exposes some of the contradictions in the new theology of EENS:

http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus-proofs/3858513?productTrackingContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/1

It costs $4.50, but it is worth it.

Other articles:

http://www.marycoredemptrix.com/the_center_review_toc.html