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Feeneyism
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2013, 09:52:39 PM »
Quote from: bowler


I agree, and we can say the same about the docuмents of Vatican II, and all of the heresies of the Vatican II popes, but as long as there is no pope to declare sanity, NOTHING is a heresy.


You're out of your mind pal.

What are you? Sedevacantist? SSPX?

Feeneyism
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2013, 07:53:44 AM »
Quote from: bowler
"Before their Baptism, certain Japanese were greatly troubled by a hateful scruple: that God did not appear merciful, because He had never made Himself known to the Japanese people before, especially that those who had not worshipped God were doomed to everlasting Hell. They grieve over the fate of their departed children, parents, and relatives; so they ask if there is any way to free them by prayer from the eternal misery. And I am obligated to answer: there is absolutely none."
Saint Francis Xavier


I think that Saint Francis Xavier erred.  Here is a completely orthodox path of salvation for those Japanese peoples who lived prior to the coming of Saint Francis Xavier:

1)  As "anyone whatsoever" (Fourth Lateran Council, Canon 1) can administer a valid sacramental Baptism, and as for an infant, a valid baptism is always a fruitful one, it is possible that some of these "Japanese ancestors" were sacramentally baptized in their infancies, perhaps even by angels who, Saint Thomas Aquinas teaches, can validly administer a Sacrament.

2)  As the One and Triune God can raise individuals back to life, so, too, He can grant "salutary repentance" at death's door, so it is possible that these Japanese ancestors, especially those in Category #1, received forgiveness just prior to their particular judgments.

Positions #1 and #2, by the way, are explicitly espoused by the Saint Benedict Center in New Hampshire, if only as possibilities but not as certainties.


Feeneyism
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2013, 10:13:14 AM »
I have often wondered, knowing this is not de fide, yet I wonder.

 God knows all things. He would know that if a person was born ignorant of the Faith, yet He knew IF that same person was born during a different time, under different circuмstances and environments, would have accepted all the Truths of His religion, would it be possible an angel could administer the sacraments at God's perfect timing for someone.  Manifesting "the unerring keenness of His justice, and the might of His love."   (quote from a prayer)

I believe with all my heart, NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, however I fear for these people who insist on limiting God's mercy.    

Feeneyism
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2013, 11:31:12 AM »
Quote from: Jehanne


Positions #1 and #2, by the way, are explicitly espoused by the Saint Benedict Center in New Hampshire, if only as possibilities but not as certainties.


As if they were any bulwark of orthodoxy.

Feeneyism
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2013, 11:40:05 AM »
Quote from: MyrnaM
I have often wondered, knowing this is not de fide, yet I wonder.


What's not de fide? No salvation outside the Church?

Quote from: MyrnaM
God knows all things. He would know that if a person was born ignorant of the Faith, yet He knew IF that same person was born during a different time, under different circuмstances and environments, would have accepted all the Truths of His religion, would it be possible an angel could administer the sacraments at God's perfect timing for someone.  Manifesting "the unerring keenness of His justice, and the might of His love."   (quote from a prayer)


How blasphemous. You believe in an impotent God who supposedly knows all these people "would certainly be good Catholics if only they knew" but is utterly incapable of making these people COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF HIM. He sees them in their plight but remains a helpless spectator.

Quote from: MyrnaM
I believe with all my heart, NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH,  


No you don't.

Quote from: MyrnaM
however I fear for these people who insist on limiting God's mercy.


Fear for yourself, putting limits to God's power and denying His omnipotence.

And don't say saving people without being Catholics is a show of omnipotence or mercy, for that is heretical, AND, it makes no point in being Catholic at all if God can just "save you later".

God cannot lie.