Author Topic: Faux BODer Belief in Salvation of non-believers (Read 4217 times)

Last Tradhican · « **on:** June 04, 2016, 12:51:48 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I agree with his (Fr. Kramer) anti-Feenyite positions. I agree that he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Such a position gives the the forest aboriginal, who can't possibly convert in the old traditional way and attend a TLM, at least a fighting chance.

Above is a person honest enough to admit what 99% of the so-called BODers (really fake BODers, Faux BODers) will not admit, for he admits that he believes that any non-believer can be saved. Non-believer in what, in whom? Notice I don't say non-Catholic, or non-baptized, I say non-believer. That is, a non-believer in Jesus Christ, the Incarnation, and the Holy Trinity. This person believes what no Father or Doctor of the Church ever believed. In fact his belief is opposed to all of tradition and dogmas on the subject of EENS of the Church.

Of course, he can believe this today because it is what Vatican II teaches in its veiled style. However, maybe this person rejects Vatican II?

How many of the incessant interminable anti-strict EENS posters here on CI have had the courage to admit that their real belief is that non-believers can be saved in this way, "he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him"? Not a one.

I congratulate the writer.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2016, 01:02:19 PM »

Now, if we can get the other Faux BODers to admit the same belief that Hollingsworth has had the courage or conviction to post, then maybe we can end these never ending postings on CI.

Faux BODer?

Salvation by belief in a God that rewards = SBIGR?

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2016, 04:58:23 PM »

I have heard and read many BODers admit this. Lefebvre admitted it, Fellay admitted it. And many other BODers admitted it that I have seen. I don't think it is uncommon. And then they say they still believe in EENS. I recently learned that the priest that many trads talk about named Father Fenton believed as I do on this matter that there might be a BOD but only for those who believe in the Trinity and the Incarnation. He even wrote that the letter to Cushing didn't even teach that non-believers can be saved as everyone thinks it did. I thought that was interesting.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2016, 05:49:05 PM »

Yep, and this reveals their mind completely. Their whole theology is rooted in emotionalism and not in arguments and syllogisms made from revealed truths.

Quote from: hollingsworth

Such a position gives the the forest aboriginal, who can't possibly convert in the old traditional way and attend a TLM, at least a fighting chance.

They only believe this because it gives non-believers a "fighting chance" and for no other actual theological reason. They don't believe in the goodness and providence of God. There's a reason God would allow a soul to be born into that state. Such as these are basically heretics, believing that saving such as these would somehow be impossible for God. They claim that God cannot be bound by the Sacraments and yet at the same time think that God can be bound by "impossibility" ... as if He were not in complete control of everything.

OldMerry · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2016, 06:25:17 PM »

As Our Lord could see the future and knew even of this dispute, He cut to the chase:

Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5