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Author Topic: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism  (Read 6068 times)

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Re: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2018, 10:14:46 PM »
The idea that an individual died before he was able to receive the Sacrament of Baptism is equally curious, because it is God who determines how long each of us shall live to the second. And it is God Who in His most benevolent Providence grants Baptism to everyone who receives it. Is He a monster (for Whom nothing is impossible or difficult) who instructs certain individuals in the absolute necessity of Baptism, grants them the grace of wishing it, then cuts off their life so that they can never receive it? And then casts them into Hell forever for not having received it? No, on the very contrary. He is an all-loving God, Who most certainly provides to the responsive all that is needful to them. If they are truly desirous of Baptism, if need be, He will provide it, even by a miracle. (It is a miracle to us, but not to Him.) This is what the Scriptures means when it says, "The hand of the Lord is not shortened" (Isaias 59:1).

The mentioned idea can be found in the Catechismus Romanus (i.e. Catechism of Trent). A catechumen "unfortunately" dies "by accident" before baptism. Not only does this odd idea contradict Catholic dogma of divine providence. It is furthermore forbidden by the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent in the decree on justification cuм hoc tempore:

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the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent [...] purposes, unto the praise and glory of Almighty God, the tranquillising of the Church, and the salvation of souls, to expound to all the faithful of Christ the true and sound doctrine touching the said Justification; [...] most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared.

papalencyclicals.net: cuм hoc tempore

Any novel statements by whomsoever after January A.D. 1547 concerning justification can be ignored. This includes the Catechismus Romanus about "accidental death of a catechumen". Accidents are not mentioned in cuм hoc tempore (and neither BOD or BOB).

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Re: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2018, 06:43:56 AM »
The idea that an individual died before he was able to receive the Sacrament of Baptism is equally curious, because it is God who determines how long each of us shall live to the second. And it is God Who in His most benevolent Providence grants Baptism to everyone who receives it. Is He a monster (for Whom nothing is impossible or difficult) who instructs certain individuals in the absolute necessity of Baptism, grants them the grace of wishing it, then cuts off their life so that they can never receive it? And then casts them into Hell forever for not having received it? No, on the very contrary. He is an all-loving God, Who most certainly provides to the responsive all that is needful to them. If they are truly desirous of Baptism, if need be, He will provide it, even by a miracle. (It is a miracle to us, but not to Him.) This is what the Scriptures means when it says, "The hand of the Lord is not shortened" (Isaias 59:1).
Of all the points that testify against a BOD, I think I like this one the best.


Re: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2018, 11:17:53 PM »
All men will be saved, who would be saved.

Re: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2018, 12:16:44 AM »
The spiritual act whereby a man bestows "baptism of desire" upon himself can have one effect only: an act of contrition or an act of faith accompanied by the willingness to do whatever God requires of him for salvation can bring about the forgiveness of his sins, both original and actual; nothing more. This is called the state of justification. It means that the individual is "out of debt" toward almighty God. He is, so to speak, "out of the red and in the black" but he has no credits; no liabilities, no assets; fit for Limbo, but not for Heaven. More accurately, he is still nothing more than a natural man, instead of a fallen man.

The Council of Trent does neither teach a justification without baptism, nor a justification that is not sufficient to make a candidate fit for Heaven.

Also, the Council of Trent forbids most strictly to believe, teach, or preach otherwise than the same Council defines and declares with respect to justification (see quote in my recent posting above).

Father James Wathen does not seem to have read cuм hoc tempore diligently.

Re: Father James Wathen (RIP) against sedevacantism
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2018, 06:23:03 AM »

Baptism of desire is only an issue in your cursed, ʝʊdɛօ-protestant country, where everyone makes his own opinion, instead of following the Church teaching. That the very definition of a heretic.