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Author Topic: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD  (Read 22240 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2022, 09:26:45 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 12, 2022, 09:17:40 AM
But are the catechisms really clear on this? One minute it seems to say that one can be saved via BOD, and other times it says that one cannot enter Heaven without baptism [and water baptism is implied...see my previous post].
Yes, and Scripture (Eph 4:5) teaches there is only one baptism and the catechism teaches there are three.
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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2022, 09:29:33 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 12, 2022, 09:23:46 AM
Later on in the book, he says:
"Baptism is necessary for salvation by a necessity of both means and precept for adults, who are not yet baptized.
Unbaptized infants who die go to Limbo. Notice, they do not go to Hell. Also notice, they do not go to Heaven.
Unbaptized adults who die go to Hell. Notice they do not go either to Limbo or to Heaven."

And

"There is only one Baptism. And every baptized baby is a subject of our Holy Father the Pope. (When you go to Heaven, most of the Americans you meet will be under seven years of age!)"
He probably states this because the Balt Catechism states that unbaptized persons without actual sin go to Limbo.  It's rare that an unbaptized adult would die without actual sin.

Having said that the BC also states that it is "common opinion" that they go to Limbo, but that is all.  Father Feeney had a different opinion.
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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2022, 09:30:51 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on July 12, 2022, 09:24:58 AM
What you quoted was talking about unbaptized infants and how they go to Limbo if they die. Baptism of Desire only applies to adults, since only adults (i.e., those with the use of reason) can desire anything.
No, it also says "persons".  This includes some folks [albeit rare] other than infants.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2022, 09:44:13 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 12, 2022, 09:30:51 AM
No, it also says "persons".  This includes some folks [albeit rare] other than infants.
Probably they are implying the mentally retarded who grow up to physical maturity without ever achieving the use of reason.
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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2022, 09:49:33 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 12, 2022, 09:26:45 AM
Yes, and Scripture (Eph 4:5) teaches there is only one baptism and the catechism teaches there are three.
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I don't know which catechism you read, but I did a quick search for the Baltimore Catechism and found this question. Is this what you mean?


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Q. 644. How many kinds of Baptism are there?

A. There are three kinds of Baptism: 1.Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.


It doesn't say "three baptisms". It says "three kinds of baptism". Note the word "baptism" in the singular.
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