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Offline DecemRationis

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Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« on: July 11, 2022, 06:35:21 PM »
I'm curious, did Father Feeney ever pen anything on his view of whether Trent, in the Council or in its Catechism, taught BOD?

I know he said in Bread of Life that a BOD could justify, but not save. I'd love to know if he expressed his opinion on Trent or its catechism and whether they taught BOD or not.
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Offline St Giles

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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2022, 07:31:17 PM »
Is there some controversy over BOD? I saw it mentioned recently in a 1910 copy of Catholic Belief and Practice ( https://archive.org/details/catholicbeliefpr00mcga/page/24/mode/2up ),  which reminded me that I thought I saw somewhere some discussion regarding it's validity, but I thought I was just getting it confused with EENS.
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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2022, 10:09:51 PM »

I recall a comment Father Feeney made in an interview that the modern versions of Trent had been edited.

I think this is going back to version published after 1850 or so.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2022, 10:20:28 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on July 11, 2022, 10:09:51 PM
I recall a comment Father Feeney made in an interview that the modern versions of Trent had been edited.

I think this is going back to version published after 1850 or so.

I suspect that he was speaking of the English translations which spun the import of the votum with the "except through" translation of "without".

He simply pointed out, correctly, that Trent was dealing with "justification" rather than "salvation", and there's solid theological precedent for that distinction.  XavierSem, who was anti-Feeneyite, cited some theologians active around the time of Trent (or shortly thereafter) who made the same distinction, with one of them holding, for instance, that infidels could be justified but not saved.  And the Catechism of Trent is also speaking of justification.
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Re: Father Feeney on Trent (Session VI, Chapter 4) or the Catechism of Trent on BOD
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2022, 10:24:50 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 11, 2022, 10:20:28 PM
I suspect that he was speaking of the English translations which spun the import of the votum with the "except through" translation of "without".
Yes, that the Latin verse did not contain such meanings.
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