Author Topic: False BOD is Foundational to VatII (Read 10334 times)

bowler · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2014, 08:38:46 AM »

Everything I write is as CLEAR as day. Everyone knows what I believe, it is even written on my signature on every posting.

It is you who is works in the shadows, never clearly revealing what you believe.

Abp. Lefebvre did not work in the shadows, he spoke clearly, and we see in his quote above the truth about your belief, that you believe that those outside of the Church can be saved. You post endlessly Fr. Fenton's 1950's book length explanations, efforts, to say the same without saying that they are outside of the Church (which they are). It is you who work in the shadows.

"One can't lie, even to save the World".

Your subterfuge is just another form of a lie.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2014, 08:47:06 AM »

The liar bowler lies about lying. Let me know when I'm supposed to be surprised.

SJB · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2014, 02:51:59 PM »

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That you only disagree in the wording is finally some truth from you. The only difference between you and Abp. Lefebvre and his quote is that he was honest and sincere and wrote with no subterfuge, and thus he wrote that people are saved outside the Catholic Church. You being a sly snake would never say that they are outside of the Church (which they most certainly are), since it would clearly contradict the dogmas of EENS.

No, you are a snake, and you seek teachers according to you own desires, teachers that teach the same as Abp. Lefebvre, however, do not say that they are outside of the Church. So, what I said what accurate, for you believe exactly what Abp. L wrote. Because of people like you, we have Vatican II.

What you fail to realize here (because you are stupid and imprecise) is that you admit Lefebvre is straightforward and honest, yet he nowhere denies the dogma of EENS.

When he says "outside the Church," he means actual membership, not a denial of the necessity of belonging to the Church nor a denial of the dogma.

bowler · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2014, 03:20:30 PM »

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Quote from: bowler
That you only disagree in the wording is finally some truth from you. The only difference between you and Abp. Lefebvre and his quote is that he was honest and sincere and wrote with no subterfuge, and thus he wrote that people are saved outside the Catholic Church. You being a sly snake would never say that they are outside of the Church (which they most certainly are), since it would clearly contradict the dogmas of EENS.

No, you are a snake, and you seek teachers according to you own desires, teachers that teach the same as Abp. Lefebvre, however, do not say that they are outside of the Church. So, what I said what accurate, for you believe exactly what Abp. L wrote. Because of people like you, we have Vatican II.

What you fail to realize here (because you are stupid and imprecise)

There you go again using insulting remarks. A gentleman should never say something online that he would not say face to face. Would you call me stupid and imprecise if we were face to face?

SJB · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2014, 03:24:05 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: bowler
That you only disagree in the wording is finally some truth from you. The only difference between you and Abp. Lefebvre and his quote is that he was honest and sincere and wrote with no subterfuge, and thus he wrote that people are saved outside the Catholic Church. You being a sly snake would never say that they are outside of the Church (which they most certainly are), since it would clearly contradict the dogmas of EENS.

No, you are a snake, and you seek teachers according to you own desires, teachers that teach the same as Abp. Lefebvre, however, do not say that they are outside of the Church. So, what I said what accurate, for you believe exactly what Abp. L wrote. Because of people like you, we have Vatican II.

What you fail to realize here (because you are stupid and imprecise)

There you go again using insulting remarks. A gentleman should never say something online that he would not say face to face. Would you call me stupid and imprecise if we were face to face?

Yes, I would. What you promote here is criminal.

I think Matthew should ban you for promoting non-Catholic ideas here.